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MuffinJets 2021-01-17 13:58
But in keysanity it's locked
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This door here is locked in vanilla and in keysanity
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solitudeSlicer 2021-01-17 14:00
lemme check my settings
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MuffinJets 2021-01-17 14:00
I keep pasting the wrong picture lol
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PolychromeVirus 2021-01-17 14:01
oh that's interesting! what a strange thing to do... is there a reason why?
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MuffinJets 2021-01-17 14:01
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lmao
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It's to open up the dungeon more
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PolychromeVirus 2021-01-17 14:01
i guess that's fair, makes it have less backtracking
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MuffinJets 2021-01-17 14:01
If they kept the door locked the dungeon was pretty linear
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That's not as much of an issue in keysanity, because whether or not you even have the key is the whole point
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solitudeSlicer 2021-01-17 14:03
ooh i am on the keysanity tracker
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MuffinJets 2021-01-17 14:04
Yeah lol It's all good though, the Fire Temple is the only dungeon like it
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solitudeSlicer 2021-01-17 14:04
another minor thing is the mask quest seems to reset back to the beginning every time i open the tracker save file
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MuffinJets 2021-01-17 14:04
Not sure about that one
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@Hamsda is the developer of that pack, maybe they'll know
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PolychromeVirus 2021-01-17 14:06
i remember an old version of that tracker did have an issue of like... every time i'd load the save it'd advance a couple of the progressive upgrades? maybe it's related?
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Hamsda 2021-01-17 20:15
yeah i havent really tested savves much, since I come from a racing background, so I just complete seeds in one go
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now i'm waiting on an application update to fix said issue about the progressives, but i have a good idea where the other issue is coming from
20:16
been busy with the ER dungeons in the last few weeks, ill see when i get around to it
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thanks for letting me know though
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PolychromeVirus 2021-01-17 20:53
oh nice! i haven't been saving my seeds lately either so i wasn't sure if it was still an issue, glad to hear
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TheBladeRoden 2021-01-17 22:15
I'm having a similar issue, the ocarina keeps changing states every time I load the save.
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PolychromeVirus 2021-01-17 22:17
that's the same one i was talking about yeah, it used to do that for me with the ocarina, the strength upgrade... and maybe a couple of others? i don't remember
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theJMang 2021-01-18 21:16
Hey. I've been trying to install the OOT pack but haven't had any luck. I'll click install from the manager and it will give me the progress bar, but doesn't show up afterwards. It just says available in the manager. I went into the packs folder in my downloads and nothing shows. Even tried downloading them from Github, and still no luck. I also tried installing one of the other ones for LTTP, same thing happens. Any thoughts?
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theJMang
Hey. I've been trying to install the OOT pack but haven't had any luck. I'll click install from the manager and it will give me the progress bar, but doesn't show up afterwards. It just says available in the manager. I went into the packs folder in my downloads and nothing shows. Even tried downloading them from Github, and still no luck. I also tried installing one of the other ones for LTTP, same thing happens. Any thoughts?
MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2021-01-18 21:20
#faq https://discordapp.com/channels/386961931988369418/422107004560080896/490391971114909706 (edited)
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge
#faq https://discordapp.com/channels/386961931988369418/422107004560080896/490391971114909706 (edited)
theJMang 2021-01-18 21:30
TY! 🙂 Should have looked in there further.
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arborelia 2021-01-19 23:49
I hope this isn't answered in some obvious place I'm not seeing, but: how do I publish a new pack? I made a pack for Super Win the Game Randomizer.
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Hamsda 2021-01-19 23:50
contact Emo via DM she has to whitelist your repository.json, which contains all the info for the packs you maintain
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arborelia 2021-01-19 23:52
do I need to know how to make a repository.json first, or do I DM her first?
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Hamsda 2021-01-20 00:07
uh either or I guess
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you can look at any of the public repos to see what info it needs
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e.g. https://github.com/Hamsda/EmoTrackerPacks/blob/master/repository.json
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arborelia 2021-01-20 09:58
thanks
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FZV 2021-01-20 23:40
I'm experiencing some issues on Hamsda's OoT pack (keysanity version). I was in the Bottom of the Well and the following checks are marked inaccessible: - West/East Inner Skulltulas - Fire Keese Chest - Like Like chest & Skulltula My tracker is accurate to my items, and I was able to reach them. I thought maybe it'd be an issue with marking keys, but no matter how many keys I marked for BOTW the checks never become available. I've tried checking off every item simultaneously to no avail. Other inaccessible checks (Zelda's Lullaby dependent ones) are responding as expected to toggling the items. Also strangely, the Adult Scarecrow Check in Lake Hylia causes other check groups to turn inaccessible, including the entirety of BOTW. But I can just ignore that for now. I'm getting worried because I'm almost completely out of checks in a multiworld, and I don't know if it's just these couple of BOTW checks that are borked or if there's more I haven't noticed.
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Hamsda 2021-01-21 02:22
I honestly have no idea what you are doing. ThinkDorm 1 key -> sequence breakable 3 keys -> they are in logic and that's exactly how it behaves on my end. Getting the adult scarecrow check should only mark your ocarina with a little scarecrow symbol, which will unlock more checks, but never make any inaccessible.
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TidusZecht 2021-01-21 07:38
I had something come up on the Majora's Mask randomizer tracker made by rikkukun and epicyoshi today: When entering night 1 grave, the grave thought I couldn't open the door to the Iron Knuckle without Fire Arrows when I have Deku Sticks. Is that by design since sticks and nuts don't unlock anything in game or something else?
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arborelia 2021-01-21 11:46
I want to check if the things I'm encountering with codemann's codetracker for z3r are normal, or if I'm doing something wrong. When I use autotracking in race mode (using snes9x and its luabridge connector), it seems that it autotracks things inconsistently and takes a while to catch up
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It notices new items maybe 90% of the time, checked locations maybe 50% of the time, and what dungeon I'm in maybe 20% of the time. Sometimes it will automatically update these later, and sometimes I need to stop and start the luabridge to get it to update. After I do that, it tracks better for a while
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my settings are criss-cross rando, so crossed door shuffle, crossed entrance shuffle, all the dungeon shuffle options, and key drop shuffle
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shadow42085 2021-01-23 12:45
@EmoSaru @codemann8 heres an idea to stop that problem when user settings is modified create a call that if a pack needs to make the changes it allows to do so and if not it prevents the change. In simpler term isolate the packs so they dont bleed into each other (edited)
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EmoSaru 2021-01-23 12:46
Thank you for the suggestion, but I am already in progress on a broader set of changes to address this.
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shadow42085 2021-01-23 12:48
while that will work but it might break something unattended while a narrow fix can prevent possible breaks
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EmoSaru 2021-01-23 12:58
Again, I appreciate the suggestion, and please rest assured that I understand the problem space just fine.
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SsjSora 2021-01-24 08:52
Uh, I have hit "intall" on a package many times, the download bar shows up, fills almost to the top, and then it's just gone and it hasn't installed.
08:53
What am I doing wrong?
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little_red 2021-01-24 08:56
see #faq something about controlled folder acces
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SsjSora 2021-01-24 09:01
It's still not working, even after adding an exception to my virus software
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little_red 2021-01-24 09:03
it can also be your firewall/windows defender that's messing with it
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SsjSora 2021-01-24 09:11
Wait, my IT Administrator doesn't allow me to get to controlled folder settings
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But
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I'm an admin on this computer
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Logged in as such
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What
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It's my personal laptop
09:12
On my home wifi
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SsjSora 2021-01-24 09:26
Can someone explain to me what the heck is going on
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Because it tells me to go to my IT helpdesk
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BUT THIS IS MY HOME WIFI
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WHAT
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2021-01-24 09:30
Are you the original owner of the machine? Is it refurbished?
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SsjSora 2021-01-24 09:31
No, bought it new
09:31
Well, Christmas gift, but semantics
09:32
Who would even qualify as the IT helpdesk?
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2021-01-24 09:33
What version of Windows?
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SsjSora 2021-01-24 09:35
10
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2021-01-24 09:36
Home, Professional?
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SsjSora 2021-01-24 09:36
Home My own personal gaming laptop, and I am sitting in my own home
09:36
Yes I got a laptop and not a desktop hush we all make mistakes
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2021-01-24 09:38
I only ask because WinPro, in general, has additional switches that can fuck with important settings to do stuff.
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SsjSora 2021-01-24 09:38
Enlighten me please
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2021-01-24 09:39
Domain controllers and such that mess with permissions. If it’s indeed Win10Home, it’s irrelephant.
09:39
Bring it down a notch or seven.
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SsjSora 2021-01-24 09:40
Bring what down? Sorry if I seem patronizing with the "enlighten me", it was genuine.
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2021-01-24 09:40
Have you tried right-clicking EmoTracker and explicitly running it as admin?
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SsjSora 2021-01-24 09:41
You're a lifesaver
09:41
Thank you so much
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2021-01-24 09:41
No one is judging you for having a laptop. No one is not believing you. What I’m skeptical about is potential hidden or hard-to-find settings that may be checked.
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SsjSora 2021-01-24 09:42
It worked when I did that
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2021-01-24 09:42
Stupid little caveats that are annoying. Like having to Run As Admin.
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SsjSora 2021-01-24 09:42
Yeah, it can be lol
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But certain ones can be adapted to
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Hell, the game I was trying to use EmoTracker for is Majora's Mask. I'm used to the niggling little things you just have to get used to
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PorcupineReed 2021-01-25 13:35
Hi! I'm playing Link to the Past randomized with the official LttP Map Tracker. When I finish a dungeon the little square on the map doesn't go away. Am I doing something wrong? Thanks!
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TarThoron 2021-01-25 13:42
Have you marked all chests as collected and the boss beaten?
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PorcupineReed 2021-01-25 13:43
I didn't know I had to mark the chests myself, I thought it automatically was supposed to.
13:43
That's my bad.
13:45
Thanks so much for the help, I think that was all I had to do.
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Dorkmaster Flek 2021-01-25 16:41
Dungeon chests aren't autotracked due to technical and cheating concerns, at least for now.
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2021-01-25 22:56
Can I have a different capture grid show up based on a key in the location definition?
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Spleebie 2021-01-25 23:01
Codemann's pack has different capture grids for items, entrances, and dropdowns, maybe poke around it a bit.
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2021-01-25 23:14
Ooh, sexy. Thanks!
23:15
Oh hey! capture_item_layout as a key on the location. Perfect!
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All_Lucky_7s 2021-01-26 00:58
My EmoTracker is not working with Super Metroid Dash. I'm using Bizhawk and have no luck when using the connector lua script. Does anyone know if this is broken?
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TarThoron 2021-01-26 01:02
#autotracker-support Only certain versions of Bizhawk work. 2.4.2 is the most recent compliant version. Also be sure you're using the Bizhawk connector.lua, and, if applicable, the Bizhawk variant of the package.
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All_Lucky_7s 2021-01-26 01:03
I will try 2.4.2.
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Thanks
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@TarThoron I was using the emotracker connector.lua found in /program files x86
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Still does not work.
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TarThoron 2021-01-26 01:09
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/560873103824257026/802339749854707712/unknown.png
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All_Lucky_7s 2021-01-26 01:09
Yeah, I was using that one
01:09
I keep getting an error
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TarThoron 2021-01-26 01:10
This should be going in #autotracker-support Post the error there.
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mm2nescartridge 2021-01-26 17:04
@codemann8 the new update on CodeTracker is... not working properly to my eyes
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my guess would be keydrop shuffle options bleeding over to non-keydrop shuffle?
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codemann8 2021-01-26 19:35
@mm2nescartridge ty, this has been fixed. It was an issue of some of the logic was using an old keyword that I renamed to something else to support the new Shopsanity mode.
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mm2nescartridge 2021-01-27 03:32
awesome, thanks!
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just looked back here
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yep, looks good
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darkgob 2021-01-27 17:59
I have a pack that won't let me uninstall it, it says "Dev" next to it??
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EmoSaru 2021-01-27 18:01
That means it is being loaded from a loose folder on disk, which is the dev workflow, rather than a managed zip file. This can happen if you unzipped a pack. (edited)
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darkgob 2021-01-27 18:02
ah, didn't know it would do that. good to know
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Phazon Nuke 2021-01-28 12:16
What is the best item/map auto tracker for OOTR multiworlds?
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TarThoron 2021-01-28 12:17
There's no auto-tracking for N64 games.
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Phazon Nuke 2021-01-28 12:17
That's a shame. :/
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Hamsda 2021-01-28 15:33
how does the crowd control thingy work for ootr? ThinkDorm
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EmoSaru 2021-01-28 15:34
It's absolutely possible to do.
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ConnectorLib supports it.
15:34
EmoTracker doesn't at this point, largely because the current framework for autotracking starts to fall apart on that generation of consoles.
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You start needing to do things like pointer following to locate certain types of data before you can access it. (edited)
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It's something I'm actively thinking about, because I'm (for several reasons) considering a big change to the way auto-tracking works in the tool in general, in terms of what amount of capability pack developers have to add supported platforms/mechanisms, and such,
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Hamsda 2021-01-28 15:42
OhISee
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because I'd definitely be interested in incorporating auto tracking for non racing into my ootr pack
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Maro 2021-01-28 15:44
Nothing will install or update. I click it, the progress bar fills then nothing.
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I've reinstalled all of emotracker, I've run it as admin, I've moved the installation directory.
15:44
It's the exact same result every time.
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Does anyone have any ideas as to why this is?
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If I try to update CubeSolvers tracker, it fills the green bar next to it and goes right back to this still needing an update. If I click install on Deoxis's tracker, it fills the green bar and then goes right back to the install button and I don't have an option to load it.
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Darkened5ky 2021-01-28 15:47
Have you checked your antivirus settings? Sometimes it can interfere with pack installation
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Maro 2021-01-28 15:47
I'll try disabling it.
15:49
I disabled my Antivirus and I'm still getting the same issue. It did this then right back to the first screenshot
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Okay so I deleted my packs file and tried again and now it's working?
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So something was wrong with my packs file I guess
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Hamsda
because I'd definitely be interested in incorporating auto tracking for non racing into my ootr pack
EmoSaru 2021-01-28 15:54
Long story short, you should probably get comfortable with the idea of writing a websocket service.
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Hamsda 2021-01-28 15:56
haven't worked much with websockets yet, but always happy to learn so if/when it becomes a reality, looking forward to it 😄
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LostThePirate 2021-01-28 19:04
Autotracking is no longer taboo in the OoTR community, but it's still banned for races and auto-tracking capable trackers are currently banned in races as well, so it's a bit of a tricky situation still. I'd personally hate to have Ham's pack be banned in races, and I dunno if all ET packs would be prohibited if any of them gain autotracking capabilities, or just individual packs that support it. I'm not in that sort of leadership role these days, so I honestly don't know where the current Race Mods would fall on that if/when it becomes relevant.
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codemann8 2021-01-30 05:44
I think if Autotracking for N64 gets added to EmoTracker, I think the group involved with making those decisions would likely reconsider their position on it (being that EmoTracker is a very popular choice for OOTR), especially if some indication of autotracking being enabled is visible on the broadcast view. (edited)
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ShadowGamer20 2021-01-31 11:58
Having a problem with MM randomizer map tracker pack by Rikkukun, Pink Switch, and epicYoshi. I'm on version 5.0.2 of the pack. Using 2.3.8.11 of emotracker. I'm doing an allsanity seed and for some reason great bay temple in stone tower temple is marked as entirely inaccessible. I have everything required to get at least 4 chests there (I'm only missing the small and big key) so it should at least be orange?
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MeleeWizard 2021-01-31 13:36
The temple locations are toggleable. Are you sure you have them marked for their proper locations? (edited)
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@ShadowGamer20
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ShadowGamer20 2021-01-31 13:42
Yes. Great bay is marked correctly as in stone tower. Weirdly it tells me that the stray fairies in great bay are accessible just not the chests.
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MeleeWizard 2021-01-31 13:42
Can you screenshot your tracker?
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ShadowGamer20 2021-01-31 13:45
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MeleeWizard 2021-01-31 13:50
For some reason, the tracker has Sonata as a requirement for those chests
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ShadowGamer20 2021-01-31 13:52
Yeah your right. Why does it want me to have Sonata?
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I just pretty much cleared all of great bay in that location without it.
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MeleeWizard 2021-01-31 13:58
I seem to recall this exact thing before, but I don't remember the explanation for it, if there was one. It might be a good question to ask in the MM server.
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ShadowGamer20 2021-01-31 13:59
Thanks I'll head over there!
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MeleeWizard 2021-01-31 14:02
If all else fails, I'd say turn Sonata on, mark the chests, then turn Sonata back off.
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Of course, I never have "always allow chest manipulation" on.
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ShadowGamer20 2021-01-31 14:06
Oh I don't either. I get too confused then.
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MuffinJets 2021-01-31 17:23
Hey @Pink Switch
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Pink Switch 2021-01-31 17:23
whats the issue
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MuffinJets 2021-01-31 17:23
Scroll up
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Pink Switch 2021-01-31 17:29
fixed
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Scott (hatwearinggamer) 2021-02-01 17:19
Which one of these symbols represents Dark Chapel? This is codemann's ER tracker for inverted
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I'm assuming also that Link's face is his house
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MeleeWizard 2021-02-01 17:21
Does it not have tooltips?
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Scott (hatwearinggamer) 2021-02-01 17:22
It told me to hit F1 for more info which I did but it doesn't have a symbol key
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MeleeWizard 2021-02-01 17:34
I mean hovering your mouse over each icon will tell you what it is.
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Does Dark Chapel even have anything?
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Scott (hatwearinggamer) 2021-02-01 17:36
It doesn't reveal
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For regular, Dark Chapel is useless but for inverted, surely it's important?
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MeleeWizard 2021-02-01 17:38
...no it's not.
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Scott (hatwearinggamer) 2021-02-01 17:39
It's a starting place though
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In inverted, you begin in the Dark World
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MeleeWizard 2021-02-01 17:39
Sanctuary is still in light world
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Scott (hatwearinggamer) 2021-02-01 17:39
At this point, Sancuarty is replaced with Dark Chapel
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From the starting places
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MeleeWizard 2021-02-01 17:40
I have an inverted tracker up. There is nothing at dark chapel
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Scott (hatwearinggamer) 2021-02-01 17:40
That's not the point
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This is for ER
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The way the entrance randomiser tracker works is you label an entrance with Link's house and every entrance accessible from there turns green
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In inverted, you should be able to do the same thing with Dark Chapel
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j_im 2021-02-01 17:43
you could mark your dark chapel entrance as link's house, which appears to be functionally the same
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Scott (hatwearinggamer) 2021-02-01 17:43
I found that selecting Zelda, which based on its location, looks like Sanctuary exit and it did the same
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2021-02-01 18:11
@Scott (hatwearinggamer) Gear (⚙️) menu -> Assistance -> Fast Tool Tips
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blasteg 2021-02-03 21:22
emo beats,me to the channel tag but @Scott (hatwearinggamer) the reason is in door randomizer
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you get this item as default that lets you go back to dungeon entrance (edited)
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which is "upgraded" to mirror when you get that
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Scott (hatwearinggamer) 2021-02-03 21:25
I'm not sure I entirely understand by getting this item by default
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I've not had it the whole time until I found it just recently
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Unless I have the tracker settings wrong?
21:27
That might be the case because I only think I have them right
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blasteg 2021-02-03 21:28
Iirc (my knowledge might be outdated) you have the map by default (or at least, in dungeons)
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Scott (hatwearinggamer) 2021-02-03 21:53
I've been collecting maps though
21:53
In the seed
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EmoSaru 2021-02-03 22:07
what kind of seed are you playing
22:07
the "map" item in door randomizer is unrelated
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codemann8 2021-02-04 06:39
Sorry for the late response, but if I'm not tagged directly I'm a little slow to see it. If you set the tracker to door rando mode, it sets the mirror item to the "mirror scroll" item which is a default item you get when playing a door rando seed. If you enable autotracking, the tracker will auto detect whether you have this mirror scroll item and will auto put you in a minimal basic door rando mode. If this is confusing beyond this point, I suggest asking the door-rando channel in the ALTTPR Discord more about this mirror scroll item.
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As for the Dark Chapel, I don't have an icon specifically for this. The intention is to just use the Sanc icon (Zelda) for this to mark your starting place. Using the Sanc icon to mark the actual Sanc in Inverted has no point or purpose.
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@Scott (hatwearinggamer)
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Orano 2021-02-05 08:31
Something I noticed with the Wind Waker Rando tracker: Even though I have just about everything and all keys in Earth Temple, the logic apparently says I STILL can't get the Tingle Chest even though I should be able to.
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And I tried marking the Light Arrows. Didn't change anything.
08:35
Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't getting more items REDUCE the amount of checks you can't do?
08:37
as for the logic settings, I have everything but progress on Savage Labyrinth and Treasure Charts checked, I'm not playing in Swordless mode, and dungeon entrance rando is off. (edited)
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j_im 2021-02-05 16:21
looks like, in locations.json line 2157 "access_rules": [ "can_get_passed_earth_temple,@can_aim_mirror_shield,@tingle_tuner_bombs" ], that its missing an @ in front of can_get_passed_earth_temple, similarly above on 2147 the same thing
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Darkened5ky 2021-02-05 16:39
It will be a little while before I can look at fixing this. Unless spleebie or dualvission can beat me to it
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Orano 2021-02-05 23:32
While I'm at it, and I kinda hate to compound, but it just bothers me a little bit that "15 Blue Chu Jelly" doesn't seem to require the Spoils Bag in the tracker logic. Just a little thing that bothers me.
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Dual [CDT UTC-5] (TWWR) 2021-02-08 02:27
Darken5ky, big things are incoming, it is in the "is fixed, needs checking" category
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Also, please don't tell me you were last locationing light arrows
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Orano
Something I noticed with the Wind Waker Rando tracker: Even though I have just about everything and all keys in Earth Temple, the logic apparently says I STILL can't get the Tingle Chest even though I should be able to.
Dual [CDT UTC-5] (TWWR) 2021-02-08 15:02
There should be a new commit on my branch that should address a number of issues, but there is a HUGE ASTERISKS that I am only getting around to testing it AND the update is designed for dv_im 1.8.0g, which is neither out or main branch. Once I test it and fix it, I will work to get it functioning with main branch as one of the variants.
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Lexitik 2021-02-16 13:51
I'm using SMZ3's Alpha Keysanity Tracker. PoD Right Side Chests are shown as out of logic because I do not have the bow, but I was able to get them by mimic clipping. Is mimic clipping considered in the logic?
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MeleeWizard 2021-02-16 14:04
no
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For most randomizers, glitches of any sort are not considered in logic unless otherwise noted.
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Lexitik 2021-02-16 14:07
That's seems weird to me, since some glitches like fake flippers show the item as yellow
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MeleeWizard 2021-02-16 14:10
If all glitches were taken into account, it wouldn't surprise me if the entire world would be yellow from the start.
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If all else fails, there's an option to make all checks toggleable regardless of color.
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EmoSaru 2021-02-16 14:13
there are levels of awareness of glitches, and it's up to folks to decide how much they want to show given the situation
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the reality is
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if you know enough to use those glitches
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you know enough to play beyond (or without) the map tracker
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or at least should
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Lexitik 2021-02-16 14:14
I was sure mimic clip was considered minor or easy enough to be considered
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EmoSaru 2021-02-16 14:14
there are plenty of glitches that are allowed that aren't typically reflected
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because the tracker's job is to present useful information
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showing every possible glitch isn't often useful
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and when it is, the player is fully free to play beyond the tracker
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we could debate whether mimic clip is past that point now or not, but it only really matters on keysanity trackers that separate those chests, and the general principle as I laid it out still stands (edited)
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TarThoron 2021-02-16 14:33
For SMZ3, the Z3 side's item placement logic is 100% glitchless, so you wont see green squares that require glitches. What squares are yellow is up to the pack dev. If it were my call, I would have the mimic bottle glitch set those chests to yellow, but not the wall clip. Wall clip doesn't require any special equipment, so is available as soon as you can access the dungeon, but does take some 1-frame inputs, putting it beyond the skill/hardware limitations of some players.
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Lexitik 2021-02-16 14:34
That makes sense yeah
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I wasn't too sure what the guidelines were for trackers so I wanted to check up on that
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Dorkmaster Flek 2021-02-16 17:15
The actual logic is 100% glitchless yes, which means it will never show as green with glitches. Which locations show up as yellow in LTTP my guess was mostly copied from the main Z3R pack, but there isn't really a fixed set a guidelines and I'm not the most knowledgeable about LTTP glitches. 😛
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I do know the bottle glitch though, and that is allowed in races, so drawing the line there as a "reasonable" glitch to show as Tar mentioned does make sense. (edited)
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Floof 2021-02-24 04:53
Yeah, I'm pretty sure yellow means you can see it but not collect it? Most likely referring to the item that would replace the heart piece around there. It could also mean you can only access some item locations in an area.
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Facet 2021-02-24 04:59
Yellow has some different meanings for different locations. World checks it usually means "possible out of logic with certain glitches/tricks," dungeons it usually means "can do some but not all checks." "See but can't collect" is blue.
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strizer86 2021-02-24 05:01
Also worth noting with dungeons it's typically a case of key placement. Sometimes the tracker can't accurately predict how many items in logic. Eastern with no lamp for example could have all 3 items front loaded, or could have an item behind a dark room. So it would show as yellow because you may be able to collect all
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Facet 2021-02-24 05:06
POD is a mess of "tracker has no idea which one or two checks you want to get with this number of keys"
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Plus not knowing where you've used them so far, etc.
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Floof 2021-02-24 05:18
YES
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I was doing keysanity
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It didn't go well at all
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Facet 2021-02-24 05:20
Keysanity is good at teaching you how many keys you can skip with routing.
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Such as, multiple you can full clear with no keys at all
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Well, keys from outside sources
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iamamitten 2021-03-02 17:40
SMZ3 rando (standard) I'm sorry uh, I realize there's an update to the SMZ3 tracker I haven't downloaded (I started this seed a while ago and wanted to finish before updating) but...the item circled should be obtainable because I have speed booster, was that resolved in the update? I haven't gone to get it yet, and will probably just reset my run and update the tracker/pack anyway.
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or is it power bomb blocks and I'm misremembering
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TarThoron 2021-03-02 17:48
Pb blocks
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iamamitten 2021-03-02 17:48
okay thanks I was worried for a good five minutes
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Dorkmaster Flek 2021-03-02 18:00
PB blocks are only required for Billy Mays room. That spot requires morph ball specifically because of them however. (edited)
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Redbeard 2021-03-05 09:31
Hey folks! I've got a weird glitch that just started with SM+ALTTP. Some of the SM maps aren't appearing in the UI anymore. I'm using Emo 2.3.8.11 and the "Bizhawk Standard" tracker (though it affects all of them). Only Brinstar and Wrecked ship are appearing as usual. I checked the faq and installed the specific font from there, but it hasn't resolved the issue.
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Redbeard
Hey folks! I've got a weird glitch that just started with SM+ALTTP. Some of the SM maps aren't appearing in the UI anymore. I'm using Emo 2.3.8.11 and the "Bizhawk Standard" tracker (though it affects all of them). Only Brinstar and Wrecked ship are appearing as usual. I checked the faq and installed the specific font from there, but it hasn't resolved the issue.
MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2021-03-05 09:49
Check your overrides folder?
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge
Check your overrides folder?
Redbeard 2021-03-05 10:39
It's empty.
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Redbeard
It's empty.
MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2021-03-05 10:46
What's your packs folder look like? Is there a smalttprando_gilgatex directory or just smalttprando_gilgatex.zip?
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Redbeard 2021-03-05 10:55
Just the .zip folder. No hidden files either
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2021-03-05 10:55
Then something is likely extra hokey.
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Redbeard 2021-03-05 10:58
Great, I get to be the odd case lol. One thing that's weird is if I'm showing both games, and pick the "full" version, it does show squares that line up with SM, but the map itself doesn't render, and it's off to the side.
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dunno if you've seen that before...
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2021-03-05 11:01
Try ⚙️ -> Layout -> Reset Layout Scale
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Redbeard 2021-03-05 11:02
No change.
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2021-03-05 11:02
I got nothin'.
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Ryoshun 2021-03-05 11:02
You need to select Map DPI Awareness
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Then reload the pack
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Redbeard 2021-03-05 11:04
reinstall? Reloading isn't changing anything after un-checking that.
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Reinstalled the package, restarted Emo, reset scale again just to be sure. No change
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Dorkmaster Flek 2021-03-05 11:54
Yeah that ain't right...I have no idea what's going on there. 😛
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Assuming you have the latest version of the pack installed via the pack manager.
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Redbeard 2021-03-07 10:50
Sorry I didn't see you'd replied, @Dorkmaster Flek . Yeah, I'm using the only version that the PM will let me download, so I'm assuming it's up-to-date. I was going to try to roll back to a previous version (both of Emo and the Package), but haven't found a way to do so.
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Dorkmaster Flek 2021-03-07 10:52
I've never seen that behaviour before. Maybe try reinstalling the app/package?
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The pack only defines the maps and location coordinates on them. I can't see anything in the pack itself that would mess up the display like that.
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Redbeard 2021-03-07 10:53
I just did a clean uninstall/reinstall of everything, no change. I'm starting to think it's a system problem maybe?
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Dorkmaster Flek 2021-03-07 10:53
Yeah maybe reinstall the Dot Net prereq?
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Or something is up with your system, I have no idea.
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TarThoron 2021-03-07 10:54
If you export overrides, are the missing maps there?
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Redbeard 2021-03-07 10:55
@TarThoron negative. The filenames are there, but the thumbnail is blank.
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Is that something I can replace? like a corrupted image?
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For context
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TarThoron 2021-03-07 11:01
Should be able to. Looks like you're missing all the maps with crossgame portals, which were updated a few releases ago. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/754837708949553242/754838270462001253/map_crateria_portals.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/754837708949553242/754838271787532308/map_maridia_portals.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/754837708949553242/754838271699320872/map_norfair_portals.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/754837708949553242/754838272273809508/map_full_portals.png
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Dorkmaster Flek 2021-03-07 11:07
Wait how are you missing those files?
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You said you don't have any overrides.
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And the pack is up to date...
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Where's my confused Pikachu face?
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I replaced the SM maps with the new ones with the portals on them some number of releases ago, but they just replaced the existing files.
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Redbeard 2021-03-07 11:09
Oh weird. When it exports, the images appear in the override folder, but they don't appear in the "export" window. So I suppose I do have the original files?
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EmoSaru 2021-03-07 11:09
Moreover, that fact that they’re listed there means they’re in the zip’s index, but are unreadable.
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Dorkmaster Flek 2021-03-07 11:10
Okay so your ZIP file for the pack may be corrupted?
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Did you try deleting it entirely and redownloading it?
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Redbeard 2021-03-07 11:12
I have, but can try again. Should I clear overrides so we know what's coming down?
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nvm uninstalling does that. derp
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Yeah, same results.
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Dorkmaster Flek 2021-03-07 11:16
Okay I have no idea what's going on. Your system is doing something very weird.
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I just tried installing it myself via the repo and everything is fine.
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I unzipped the file and everything is there.
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Redbeard 2021-03-07 11:16
hrm...
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I'm going to try to install on another PC and see what happens
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Yeah, laptop shows fine. Something systemic with my desktop then.
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Dorkmaster Flek 2021-03-07 11:19
Okay so it's definitely that specific system at least...
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Magus_Oscuro 2021-03-07 11:19
I'm going to ask a strange question: what do you have for antivirus?
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Redbeard 2021-03-07 11:20
Just Windows Defender
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Magus_Oscuro 2021-03-07 11:20
OK, there goes my idea
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Redbeard 2021-03-07 11:20
Yeah sorry. Bog standard lol.
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I'll keep monkeying with my system. I'll update you if I find anything substantial.
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Magus_Oscuro 2021-03-07 11:22
OK, the thing I am most curious about are the checksum for the zip file on the good system vs the busted one, but I don't know a good non-technical way to get that information
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Redbeard 2021-03-07 11:25
Yeah, I'm starting to think it's not the package. The weird bit is that it's just those specific files that aren't rendering in Emo... I'm wondering if somehow my setup is limiting the pixel size of those maps?
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... Because Wrecked Ship and Brin look fine.
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EmoSaru 2021-03-07 13:26
Are you using Windows DPI scaling on that machine at all?
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That’s the one thjng I could imagine screwing with stuff
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Redbeard 2021-03-07 13:54
No. I don't think it can actively be disabled, but all of my DPI settings are still at 100% (default). I'm doing some color correction via NVIDIA Control panel, and bumping my refresh rate to 144, but scaling is default for a 1080p screen.
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StonerMime1983 2021-03-12 07:31
anyone know how to use FF1 randomizer pack by jat2980,DarkmoonEX with auto-tracker. i know about lua but i cant find a nes emulator that works with it.
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jat2980 2021-03-12 07:52
Hey, Yes I do know :p bizhawk is the only supported emulator that I am aware of
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DWKrsDH-jj1GRZvPWKcH9-DX4QXsGOCoxBUKXUevmC0/edit?usp=sharing
FFR EmoTracker FAQ
FFR EmoTracker FAQ What are the minimum requirements to use the tracker? 1 What are the requirements to use autotracking? 2 How do I start autotracking? 3 How do I only display incentive locations? 5 What do the colours mean? 5 How do I select which locations are incentivized? 5 I have X why ca...
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Good luck and let me know if you have any other questions
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Hey, Yes I do know :p bizhawk is the only supported emulator that I am aware of
StonerMime1983 2021-03-12 07:59
thanks a bunch
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DJ Diddles 2021-03-12 18:44
Hi everyone, I am having trouble downloading any packs or updates. Hopefully this is something stupid I am overlooking. I download the tracker and try to get packages, the bar goes across green, and then empties again with nothing. I can't update the Zelda pack either. I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling. What could this be? Thanks!
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LostThePirate 2021-03-12 18:46
There should be some info in the #faq to help with that.
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DJ Diddles 2021-03-12 19:57
Ah, it was my antivirus! Thank you
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00DUMB 2021-03-20 21:15
I made an oopsie and accidentally updated my tracker (SM+LTTP by Darkmaster Fek et al.), thus breaking my package saves. Is there a way to access older package versions? I can't seem to find version numbers, but it should be one version behind this latest one. (edited)
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I made an oopsie and accidentally updated my tracker (SM+LTTP by Darkmaster Fek et al.), thus breaking my package saves. Is there a way to access older package versions? I can't seem to find version numbers, but it should be one version behind this latest one. (edited)
MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2021-03-20 21:17
This may work. Don't do the oopsie again. :p Alternatively, use auto-tracking. https://github.com/DorkmasterFlek/alttpsmemotracker/releases
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00DUMB 2021-03-20 21:18
Thank you so much, i was trying to find the git but had no luck.
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hm, can't seem to get the package to install. guessing ur not sure if manual installation is supported? (edited)
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2021-03-20 21:21
It should be. Make sure the archive is made properly and it's not nested inside a folder inside the archive.
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00DUMB 2021-03-20 21:22
bingo, danke
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2021-03-20 21:23
De nada. Close out those saves you're working on, update the pack, and start anew with the latest version.
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And by "close out," I mean "finish those seeds."
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00DUMB 2021-03-20 21:25
ok, sorry for being a bother, but I'm still getting a version mismatch.
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ok, sorry for being a bother, but I'm still getting a version mismatch.
MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2021-03-20 21:26
I have a feeling that you know what I'm gonna say.
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00DUMB 2021-03-20 21:26
lmao, might be a lost cause?
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2021-03-20 21:26
Install the version that matches.
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00DUMB 2021-03-20 21:26
is there a wway to view the version of a package save?
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2021-03-20 21:27
Open it in a text editor.
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TarThoron 2021-03-20 21:27
Alternatively, get the update, and turn on autotracking, if only for a moment so the game tracks your stuff. (This will still show junk you've seen but didn't pick up, and won't populate your pins). (edited)
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00DUMB 2021-03-20 21:27
u know, i should have tried that first. (edited)
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And yes, that is in fact what happened
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alright, my suspicion was correct: ver. 3.4.11 is my version, but the releases on git go from 3.4.7 right to 3.5.0.
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2021-03-20 21:30
https://github.com/DorkmasterFlek/alttpsmemotracker/tree/01e36363f791657c66cb1c71d1e5f266616aa303
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That snapshot is 3.4.11.
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00DUMB 2021-03-20 21:39
thanks for your patience. I can't seem to figure out how to get this snapshot to download. if I code>Download zip, i get a 404. I tried cloning but that just got me the latest version.
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2021-03-20 21:40
... You're right. It's a 404. That's out of character.
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You got a git client on your machine?
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00DUMB 2021-03-20 21:41
does github desktop work?
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2021-03-20 21:41
If you installed Git Bash with it, yeah.
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00DUMB 2021-03-20 21:42
yeah i have git bash
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2021-03-20 21:42
git checkout 01e36363f791657c66cb1c71d1e5f266616aa303
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That should give manifest.json with:
{ "name": "Super Metroid and ALTTP Randomizer Map Tracker", "game_name": "Super Metroid + LTTP Randomizer", "platform": "snes", "package_version": "3.4.11",
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00DUMB 2021-03-20 21:44
it does
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2021-03-20 21:45
Two options: Zip it and replace the archive in packs or nuke the archive and paste this git repo as a folder in packs. (edited)
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00DUMB 2021-03-20 21:45
https://tenor.com/view/ladies-and-gentleman-we-got-him-gif-12313683
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i cant thank you enough
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2021-03-20 21:46
Thank @Dorkmaster Flek for having a reasonable git history.
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00DUMB 2021-03-20 21:46
Thank you too!
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2021-03-20 21:46
I just know how to read it and you're competent enough to execute "simple" commands on the computer. Thank you as well.
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00DUMB 2021-03-20 21:47
no prob!
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Dorkmaster Flek 2021-03-20 21:48
Well, somewhat reasonable. I didn't actually make a release on GitHub for all the previous versions. 😛
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I remember to do it sometimes lol
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I should really do that for every release.
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2021-03-20 21:50
Check out my build scripts for SpriteSomething* for auto-releases.
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I plan to set it up Eventually™️ for my Axiom Verge pack that I'm developing with @Seraphin Eveles .
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Seraphin Eveles 2021-03-20 23:14
I tend to be a bit goofy with my push notes, but @MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge is good at knowing what I did and making sufficient notes I think.
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Dorkmaster Flek 2021-03-21 06:41
Also at least for my pack, if you're only one or two releases behind you may be able to edit your save file manually and just change the pack version there to match the current version. That's what EmoTracker is complaining about, but in most cases the actual locations should be the same. No guarantees though. 😛 (edited)
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Mushrooms 2021-03-22 17:35
small question but for anyone using the WWR tracker, will the 1.8 logic work fine with 1.9? Friend says it will since no logic was changed, but I wasn't so sure given the patch notes to 1.9 and wanted to check in here.
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Nicholas Steel 2021-03-24 07:23
You'd prolly be better off asking on the WWR discord (edited)
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Ryoshun 2021-03-24 08:43
@Dorkmaster Flek noticed some issues with autotracker on the latest version of SMZ3. On desert palace, thieves town, eastern palace and palace of darkness, the tracker didn't count the amount of key items in dungeons correctly. It consistently reported that there were items remaining in the dungeon, even though there weren't. (edited)
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TarThoron 2021-03-24 08:47
Were you playing with the regular or keysanity package?
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And was the game regular or keysanity?
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Dorkmaster Flek 2021-03-24 08:49
Also importantly, were you playing with a v11.2 seed from the current live site? (edited)
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Or were you playing a seed you had previously generated prior to the latest release?
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If the answer is yes, do you have the permalink to the seed?
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Ryoshun 2021-03-24 11:59
Regular package, regular game. Let me see if I can dig up the link
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It was multiworld
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Wasn't generated previously
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Here's the link: https://samus.link/multiworld/vr-Zs8MeQWWrTES3sx7LlQ I don't know if that's what you need. Let me know.
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Dorkmaster Flek 2021-03-24 12:24
That's the actual MW session but I can't download the seed since I can't register as either player now... (edited)
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Huh are the regular ROM changes present in MW?
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I haven't actually tried it with a MW, gonna be completely honest. 😛
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Does the ROM you downloaded start with "SMZ3-V11.2" in the filename? (edited)
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Ryoshun 2021-03-24 12:35
yes
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TarThoron 2021-03-24 12:36
Any chance you have a screenshot of the tracker with incorrect numbers?
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Ryoshun 2021-03-24 16:48
I don't 😦
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I'll try to reproduce
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mm2nescartridge 2021-03-24 18:03
oh yeah, this issue happened to both myself and kuru in sunday's MW race @Dorkmaster Flek
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i'll see if i can get you the seed
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Dorkmaster Flek 2021-03-24 18:09
If you have the seed that would be good, otherwise I'll try rolling a MW with the same settings as Ryudo above and see.
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The ASM changes should be the same for both...
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mm2nescartridge 2021-03-24 18:09
i can get it from RT.GG i think
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also i was on snes9x 1.60-rr, kuru was on SD2SNES
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Dorkmaster Flek 2021-03-24 18:10
Yeah should be the same for both, if the issue is the base rom changes not working.
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mm2nescartridge 2021-03-24 18:11
definitely, just thought it was worth mentioning
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hard logic, race rom on, 36294788
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two players
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sword and morph randomized, keys off
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You'd prolly be better off asking on the WWR discord (edited)
Mushrooms 2021-03-25 07:16
lol their response is always "use the official tracker" so I stopped asking for help there a long time ago 😒
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lol their response is always "use the official tracker" so I stopped asking for help there a long time ago 😒
Spleebie 2021-03-25 07:44
I don't think there were any big logic changes in the last update but I do know @Dual [CDT UTC-5] (TWWR) had a big tracker update in the works
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Dorkmaster Flek 2021-03-25 07:50
If you're asking about an EmoTracker pack, this is the right place. The official Discord server may want nothing to do officially with this. Maybe tag the pack author if they didn't see it? Is that Zach? I don't know who makes this pack. 😛 If the author is no longer updating it, then you're SOL but this is definitely the right place to ask. (edited)
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Mushrooms 2021-03-25 07:59
yeah was about the emotracker pack, the discord seems to hate it for some reason even though it is way easier for streamers to deal with
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I don't really know who the author is anymore, the last post by darkened5ky was a while ago and I didn't want to bother them on it
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Spleebie 2021-03-25 08:00
Zach is the one maintaining the WW pack
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Derrick 2021-03-25 08:09
Hey I got a quick question, and maybe I just completely missed that insruction. How would I go about submitting a new pack?
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TarThoron 2021-03-25 09:25
If you have a fully functional new pack, send EmoSaru a private message.
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Derrick 2021-03-25 11:02
Ok sweet, I did that not too long ago, thanks for the info!
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I don't really know who the author is anymore, the last post by darkened5ky was a while ago and I didn't want to bother them on it
Dual [CDT UTC-5] (TWWR) 2021-03-25 13:58
Yeah, the big issue with maintaining it has been, I got a job, then I started developing my own branch of the randomizer. So as you can imagine, my attention is split and it's mostly my own fault. If you look on my github, the most up to date version is there BUT the locations file is designed for my branch and once I get that all working as intended, it should be a small change to a variant for Lago's branch
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@Dorkmaster Flek noticed some issues with autotracker on the latest version of SMZ3. On desert palace, thieves town, eastern palace and palace of darkness, the tracker didn't count the amount of key items in dungeons correctly. It consistently reported that there were items remaining in the dungeon, even though there weren't. (edited)
ScorelessPine 2021-03-26 21:58
Can second this report if you're still wondering, Dorkmaster Flek. Just played a smz3 multiworld with friends and I noticed autotracking my HC missed 3 key items, my Eastern missed 1, and other players noticed Eastern missing some, HC, Hera, and I'm sure more that we didn't catch. Not sure what the issue here was, but it's definitely happening. All of us in that group were using alttpo's Bsnes fork with the qusb2snes bridge in the alttpo script, so it's not limited to snes9x or console either.
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Dorkmaster Flek 2021-03-27 06:50
Yeah I'm gonna test a MW this weekend to see what's up...there shouldn't be anything different about the MW base rom changes...
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And I'm pretty sure I didn't use any shared spots for the autotracking changes...
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Can second this report if you're still wondering, Dorkmaster Flek. Just played a smz3 multiworld with friends and I noticed autotracking my HC missed 3 key items, my Eastern missed 1, and other players noticed Eastern missing some, HC, Hera, and I'm sure more that we didn't catch. Not sure what the issue here was, but it's definitely happening. All of us in that group were using alttpo's Bsnes fork with the qusb2snes bridge in the alttpo script, so it's not limited to snes9x or console either.
Dorkmaster Flek 2021-03-27 06:54
You were using Qusb2snes bridge, did you set the EmoTracker mode to SD2SNES not Lua?
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ScorelessPine 2021-03-27 06:56
Ah i should have specified, no I was actually using lua mode with the correct connector mode in alttpo, I just meant I was playing multiworld with alttpo's qusb2snes bridge
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However I do know another player I was with was doing that
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Dorkmaster Flek 2021-03-27 07:06
Wait ALTTPO? What is that?
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The SMZ3 multiworld is built into the official site.
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The only "official" autotracking things in Lua mode for EmoTracker are snes9x-rr and Bizhawk. (edited)
07:10
RetroArch works via Qusb2snes's bridge, but then you should be in SD2SNES mode on EmoTracker as it's emulating that.
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ScorelessPine 2021-03-27 07:19
Alttpo is a coop script using a custom fork of bsnes with angelscript support. The dev, jsd, ported the snes9x qusb2snes lua bridge to angelscript and it works well, and later also added support for the connectorlua script used for emotracker and crowd control.
07:21
Realistically, we just run alttpo during multiworld for the sprite sync where we can see each other during the game without syncing items that shouldn't be, but in all other ways, it acts identical to running snes9x-RR with the luabridge.lua and connector.lua scripts
07:23
So I and at least one other player was using the lua mode implementation, one player used the qusb2snes mode, and another player was using snes9x
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Dorkmaster Flek 2021-03-27 07:39
Okay I am going to be testing the official SMZ3 multiworld implementation to make sure that the MW functionality isn't messing with the same memory addresses used for autotracking. (edited)
07:40
Anything outside of that is unofficial and I am not going to look further into it, if the core functionality is working.
07:41
Using a custom script/fork to see each other during gameplay in a MW is very much outside of the official functionality, although I can't say offhand why that would potentially mess with those memory addresses.
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ScorelessPine 2021-03-27 09:10
Right, that was kind of beside the point and I meant to imply I wouldnt have any reason to believe it would affect it, since it is a direct port of the more officially supported snes9x method, which as I said, one player was using as well while encountering that issue
09:10
Not to mention that many of us have been using it for a very long time and have never encountered any issues before this version
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Dorkmaster Flek 2021-03-27 09:15
Right, that's why I'm going to test it. It sounds like there may be an issue there. I just want to make it clear that only the official MW implementation and officially supported autotracking methods for EmoTracker are being looked at. 😛
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ScorelessPine 2021-03-27 09:15
Yeah, im sure looking into the official implementations will solve bsnes issues also
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Dorkmaster Flek 2021-03-27 09:15
Most likely yes
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Dorkmaster Flek 2021-03-27 12:15
Okay good news, I confirmed there is an issue with MW when picking up items for other players. Unfortunately this will need some further ASM changes to fix so I'll try to get that pushed live ASAP.
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Dual [CDT UTC-5] (TWWR)
Yeah, the big issue with maintaining it has been, I got a job, then I started developing my own branch of the randomizer. So as you can imagine, my attention is split and it's mostly my own fault. If you look on my github, the most up to date version is there BUT the locations file is designed for my branch and once I get that all working as intended, it should be a small change to a variant for Lago's branch
Mushrooms 2021-03-29 20:47
Thank you. And I understand, it's why I didn't want to be a huge bother about it. I appreciate your work anyway.
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Dual [CDT UTC-5] (TWWR) 2021-03-30 01:09
Please, bother me as needed, without pressure, I'll just keep adding and adding features instead of publishing anything
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mm2nescartridge 2021-03-30 06:35
@Dorkmaster Flek it appears the mickey mouse logic item logic is incorrect for some way, it doesn't think HJB is a WRITG item (that location only)
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Dorkmaster Flek 2021-03-30 06:47
Can you post a picture of your item loadout please? "Incorrect in some way" does not tell me anything. (edited)
06:47
I need to see the exact configuration to check it against the logic. (edited)
06:48
The randomizer source code does not have HJB as part of that location on normal currently fyi.
06:48
The issue is most likely with the randomizer logic since the pack is matching that, but I can't confirm without your items for certain. (edited)
06:52
If it even is an issue, the devs might not consider only HJB appropriate for normal, I don't know.
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TarThoron 2021-03-30 07:37
Bah. I does appear to be a issue with the base logic. It's written expecting to come from the portal, not lava dive, meaning you need a way up Screw Attack room.
07:38
Gotta figure out how to write it to account for both ways.
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Dorkmaster Flek 2021-03-30 08:36
It should be allowing you to return to the portal, that needs only PBs. I think the issue is it wants speed with HJB.
08:37
The logic wants speed + ((HJB + PBs) OR (charge + ice)) (edited)
08:39
Will discuss in SMZ3 discord further, but it's not a pack issue. The pack is matching the logic.
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LostThePirate 2021-04-08 12:25
@Dudude Dude Hey, was just wondering if you were planning on updating your Z2R map pack for v4? It's nice to be able to track Dash, but not being able to support all the new connector configurations is a little frustrating at times, as I forget what random cave letter I've assigned to MI because it's accessible from West and similar things. ...And since I'm pinging you about that, I may as well include other items on my "wish list" lol... For volcano/caldera maps, would be nice to be able to track lava on the map, but that's more minor than being able to track connectors. A 3rd map toggle for tracking DM - since it can be your means of connecting West to East or to MI, etc, now, being able to mark where those connectors are would be dandy. (edited)
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Dudude Dude 2021-04-08 12:28
I've been incredibly busy lately unfortunately, but I can look into making those changes. Earliest I'd be able to work on it is this weekend though.
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LostThePirate 2021-04-08 12:29
No rush, my best time is still 4+ hours, lol, but I'm generally of the philosophy of "no harm in asking" heh so I figured I might as well ask.
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Dudude Dude 2021-04-08 12:30
I appreciate it, I'd normally play a bunch myself to figure out what changes are needed, so getting feedback from someone actively using the pack is very helpful. 🙂
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LostThePirate 2021-04-08 12:33
Mainly supporting the new configurations from the Continent Connectors settings would be awesome https://bitbucket.org/digshake/z2randomizer/wiki/Options.md#markdown-header-continent-connections (edited)
12:39
Playing TAH's Seeds of the Week for the last several weeks with the Anything Goes setting on, so tracking has been a bit tricky.
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Dudude Dude 2021-04-08 18:10
Looking into a few little things since I had some spare time, also apparently never included forest tiles even though I did make the item definition for those. But all of your requests should be possible to add. Going to add some way for the non-map variant to track the continent connections too, should be able to push an update tomorrow.
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LostThePirate 2021-04-08 18:12
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Yeah, I just have been using grass for grass or forest, they're both green, close enough, heh.
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LostThePirate 2021-04-11 09:58
Was just getting set up for a run, Dudude, so perfect timing zsrLove
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twallenborg 2021-04-24 14:32
In Smz3, why is Energy Tank, Mama turtle not blue when you have access to the room? You are always able to wall-jump the left side to check it right? @Dorkmaster Flek (edited)
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TarThoron 2021-04-24 14:40
Ninban and Gilgatex haven't had anything to do with the pack in some time.
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twallenborg 2021-04-24 14:45
Ok, removed the tags for them
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In Smz3, why is Energy Tank, Mama turtle not blue when you have access to the room? You are always able to wall-jump the left side to check it right? @Dorkmaster Flek (edited)
MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2021-04-24 15:52
It’s just not defined as such. Depends on if suitless can do it, I guess? https://github.com/DorkmasterFlek/alttpsmemotracker/blob/master/locations/sm/maridia.json#L109-L163
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TarThoron 2021-04-24 16:10
There's no "capture_item": true, for that item. It will never be blue as is. It probably should be capturable. It's definitely a spot you can see but not get. It's just that most times you can get in there, you can also get it. Something for Dorkmaster to think about when he sees this.
16:11
Technically, as long as you have morph+pbs, you can get it, but that's not in any logic.
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Dorkmaster Flek 2021-04-24 16:12
Yeah I think it's just really unlikely for you to have access to that room but not be able to get it.
16:12
Nobody's mentioned it before. 😛
16:12
No reason it can't be capturable sure.
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twallenborg 2021-04-25 00:18
For me its not that unusual that I have access to that room but not that item. Since the room only needs morph+pbs+(gravity) but that item also need CanFly/Grappling/Speed. It would be nice if this was added in the future :) (edited)
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Anguirel 2021-04-25 07:36
@MisterDad Moving this into pack support - It's been a while since I've looked at it. Which checks are missing from the FF6WC map tracker?
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@MisterDad Moving this into pack support - It's been a while since I've looked at it. Which checks are missing from the FF6WC map tracker?
MisterDad 2021-04-25 07:56
https://imgur.com/a/7FbIV4L
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I see more nodes on this map than on the tracker
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Anguirel 2021-04-25 08:00
Are you playing open world, or character gated? The map tracker defaults to character gated, so the pins will only show up when the check becomes available. If you are playing an open world seed you need to toggle the setting. Click the gear icon above the characters and then click the game mode to toggle to open world.
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MeleeWizard 2021-04-25 08:00
Note sure if this is actually relevant to your issue, but the tracker only marks where Important Things (characters, espers, that sort of thing) can show up. The numbers on the map just show chest counts, and aren't reflected in the tracker. (edited)
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MisterDad 2021-04-25 08:00
Ok so I’m just dumb, got it
08:01
Thanks for the quick response
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Anguirel 2021-04-25 08:02
No worries! That setting is really easy to miss if you don't know it's there.
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MisterDad 2021-04-26 18:42
hello
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MeleeWizard 2021-05-08 18:47
@Hamsda Not sure if you had been told this, but Impa's Cow is not considered in logic, regardless of what items you have.
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Hamsda 2021-05-08 20:07
thanks for letting me know, ill take a look
20:07
latest version?
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MeleeWizard 2021-05-08 20:17
yes
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Hamsda 2021-05-08 20:23
ill see what i borked up when im on my desktop lol
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Dual [CDT UTC-5] (TWWR) 2021-05-08 21:06
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XenoWars 2021-05-09 08:48
@Hamsda Your OOTR map tracker shows the upper DM skull obtainable with nothing. How would you even reach it with nothing? I've been made aware of how you get it, but reaching it?
08:49
Specifically, I have Sticks, Nuts, Ocarina, Rang, MS, and Hylian Shield enabled
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Hamsda 2021-05-09 08:49
hmm
08:50
non ER?
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XenoWars 2021-05-09 08:50
yeah
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Hamsda 2021-05-09 08:50
ye I see it
08:50
rarely play OW tokens, never noticed
08:50
ill see
08:51
oh ye, just a derp by me that probably never got caught lol
08:54
ok, got it, thanks for reporting @XenoWars 👍
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XenoWars 2021-05-09 08:54
no problem
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Yu 2021-05-14 20:07
Hey, I was wondering, while I was doing a crosskey using Codetracker's tracker, it got an update, is there anything that isn't apparent, I see darker outline to see transition, and there's a globe thing now, what is that for ??
20:07
might be in the wrong channel, not sure where to post that.
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MuffinJets 2021-05-14 20:28
Changes for overworld rando Not sure how to use them yet but that's the purpose
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Mighty Mike 2021-05-17 00:25
@Dorkmaster Flek Spring Ball location is grapple locked in the tracker but it shouldn't be because you can do this trick that is common practice in SM 100% runs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW9KV4m2PO4 Anyway to get that fixed? EDIT: Forgot to add that it is in the SMZ3 tracker (edited)
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Super Metroid - easy Spring Ball ice clip
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Lurch9229 2021-05-17 00:56
Normal logic or hard logic? Normal logic requires grapple because clips using frozen enemies are not shown in game, unlike wall jumps shinesparks and IBJs
00:57
In hard logic you don't even need springball to do that clip either
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Mighty Mike 2021-05-17 01:06
Both normal and hard logic.
01:07
I don't think it should be green but it should be indicated with yellow so you know that you can get it out of logic.
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Mighty Mike 2021-05-17 01:25
And it doesn't use spring ball, the title of the video is misleading. It is an ice clip to enter spring ball location.
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Lurch9229 2021-05-17 01:33
ahh I see I didn't watch the video, on mobile atm. Dorkmaster would have to look at the logic and see why it's not showing, I don't maintain the smz3 package
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Mighty Mike 2021-05-17 01:37
Is there any documentation for package developer? I checked the repository for the SMZ3 package and it didn't look to complicated to fix but I didn't want to touch it without reading some kind of documentation first.
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Lurch9229 2021-05-17 01:37
But here all the things that put it in logic "name": "Spring Ball", "access_rules": [ "normal,super,grapple,@CanUsePowerBombs,gravity,space", "normal,super,grapple,@CanUsePowerBombs,gravity,hijump", "[hard],super,grapple,@CanUsePowerBombs,gravity,@CanFly", "[hard],super,grapple,@CanUsePowerBombs,gravity,hijump", "[hard],super,grapple,@CanUsePowerBombs,ice,hijump,@CanSpringBallJump,space" (edited)
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I don't think so
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@Dorkmaster Flek Spring Ball location is grapple locked in the tracker but it shouldn't be because you can do this trick that is common practice in SM 100% runs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW9KV4m2PO4 Anyway to get that fixed? EDIT: Forgot to add that it is in the SMZ3 tracker (edited)
Dorkmaster Flek 2021-05-17 05:35
The randomizer logic does not include that. The tracker matches the randomizer logic, so if you think it should be included (I definitely think that should NOT be on normal mode) then you can ask the SMZ3 devs to do so. Currently hard mode logic has a general upper limit for what they allow, ex. full suitless Maridia is never in logic even on hard, only limited (up to Botwoon e-tank). I suspect they consider any springball ice clip too difficult for now, but maybe that's open to debate. Re: yellow, basically in SM I used hard mode logic to show the yellow "accessible out of logic" state if you're on normal as you can see from the snippet above. (edited)
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The randomizer logic does not include that. The tracker matches the randomizer logic, so if you think it should be included (I definitely think that should NOT be on normal mode) then you can ask the SMZ3 devs to do so. Currently hard mode logic has a general upper limit for what they allow, ex. full suitless Maridia is never in logic even on hard, only limited (up to Botwoon e-tank). I suspect they consider any springball ice clip too difficult for now, but maybe that's open to debate. Re: yellow, basically in SM I used hard mode logic to show the yellow "accessible out of logic" state if you're on normal as you can see from the snippet above. (edited)
Mighty Mike 2021-05-17 06:08
Ok, I understand. I just think that something so commonly used in SM speedrunning would be included in the logic. I agree that it shouldn't be included in Standard but I would have expected it to be included in Hard mode.
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TarThoron 2021-05-17 06:09
Poyu clip (with Grav suit) is something we've debated adding to Hard logic a few times, and while it's generally agreed that it was left out by oversite, not on purpose, no one has taken the time to fix it. It's kinda nice to have Shaktool more locked down rather than less.
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mm2nescartridge 2021-05-17 06:45
i dont want it in hard logic personally because i suck at it aPES_Laugh i like having shak progression rare as is and it's also another thing to learn for those who aren't super metroid inclined
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Mighty Mike 2021-05-17 06:53
I am just going to have to keep a mental note that I can get there even when the location is red. But I am always disappointed because it is usually a single rupee or a single arrow anyway. 😅
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Dorkmaster Flek 2021-05-17 07:19
I can definitely see the argument for including it in hard logic, even though it isn't currently (sounds like it's an oversight as Tar said).
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TarThoron 2021-05-17 08:52
Funny thing is it was in-logic in Tournament logic of v2.10 of total's SM rando, which is the basis for Hard logic.
Area = Maridia; Name = "Spring Ball"; Class = Major; Address = 0x7C6E5; Visibility = Chozo; Available = fun items -> canAccessInnerMaridia items && (haveItem items Ice || (haveItem items Grapple && (canFly items || haveItem items HiJump)));
"CanAccessInnerMaridia" is grav or hjb+ice+grapple (springball jumping not in logic 🙃 ) (edited)
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EmoSaru 2021-05-18 10:48
Hey folks, friendly reminder that this isn’t really a “discuss the game itself” channel. That’s best left for the game’s discord.
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Ace of Spades 2021-05-18 12:55
Hello, is this the channel for reporting missing elements in a package?
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Hamsda 2021-05-18 12:56
yeah pretty much helps if you tag the pack maintainer
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Ace of Spades 2021-05-18 12:58
@Dual [CDT UTC-5] (TWWR) @Spleebie and DarkenedSky, I am using the latest tracker for Wind Waker Randomizer and so far, I have noticed two things missing: the Savage Labyrinth and the two chests found inside the caves of the Private Oasis
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Dual [CDT UTC-5] (TWWR) 2021-05-18 12:59
Define latest, what are your settings?
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Ace of Spades 2021-05-18 13:00
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Dual [CDT UTC-5] (TWWR) 2021-05-18 13:02
If that's the version I think it is, caves only have one item to represent them, can you send a screenshot of the caves in question as well as your item load out?
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Ace of Spades 2021-05-18 13:04
Here is my item loadout. Not sure what you mean by the caves in question though. Oh wait, if you're commenting on the Cave Entrance Randomization, they did not randomize. I don't know why that is checked
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Dual [CDT UTC-5] (TWWR) 2021-05-18 13:06
Did disabling cave randomization fix the issue? You will need to remark all other explored caves, but it should now be visible as in vanilla
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Ace of Spades 2021-05-18 13:09
Yes it did. I'll probably leave it on so that I don't have to remark because, chances are, I'll forget lol. Ok, thanks for your help. I don't know why or even if I checked it but either way, my bad
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Dual [CDT UTC-5] (TWWR) 2021-05-18 14:43
It's all good, there is a new update coming REALLY soon
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TheDool 2021-05-19 13:08
@Hamsda any plans for a glitched logic tracker? Also there seems to be no blue item for Links House Cow, because some stones say "Malons obstacle course leads to X"
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Hamsda 2021-05-19 13:09
it is being rewritten, so at the moment def a no for glitched logic
13:10
and links house cow is hintable and has a capture spot in both regular and ER version
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TheDool 2021-05-19 13:15
im confused, does that mean there should be a blue spot on my map if i enable cow shuffle?
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im confused, does that mean there should be a blue spot on my map if i enable cow shuffle?
LostThePirate 2021-05-19 13:21
Yes, it's there. It's on Link's House and not on Malon, though, so maybe you're looking in the wrong place for it?
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TheDool 2021-05-19 13:21
im using the newest Map Tracker (Keysanity)
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LostThePirate 2021-05-19 13:21
Just to double check, you've got Cowsanity enabled in the tracker settings?
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TheDool 2021-05-19 13:22
yes I see the blue cow in gerudo valley, but none in kokiri forst
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LostThePirate 2021-05-19 13:23
Ok, just trying to rule out simple user errors first, heh.
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TheDool 2021-05-19 13:25
im just super dumb, i was on child map
13:25
cow only on adult, i forgot
13:27
i got the hint as child and my brain didnt make the jump to check for adult map
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Hamsda 2021-05-19 13:36
ah 😄
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mm2nescartridge 2021-05-24 03:30
@Dorkmaster Flek did the SMZ3 multiworld race with your autotracker on yesterday, noticed a few issues: 1. when I received an item from my partner in a dungeon, it (erroneously) counted toward the dungeon item count. 2. when I found an item for my partner in a dungeon, it (erroneously) didn't count toward the dungeon item count. really just dungeon item counts for MWs are kinda broken also, when I was playing a solo seed, I picked up speed in spec rock cave, and it didn't mark the item on the map until I clicked it off, however that could just be me not waiting long enough.
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Lurch9229 2021-05-24 03:34
Personally I find autotracking has always been finicky with the smz3 package. Probably has something to do with the ROM using built-in savestates on game transitions and the lua script not handling them well. usually just stopping the script and restarting it fixes most problems
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mm2nescartridge 2021-05-24 05:32
in solo seeds it's been fine for me
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TarThoron 2021-05-24 06:10
https://github.com/tewtal/alttp_sm_combo_randomizer_rom/pull/59
Fix autotracking dungeon chest counters in multiworld by Dorkmaster...
This fixes an issue where the dungeon chest counters used for autotracking in non-keysanity mode were not being incremented when you found an item for another player in multiworld. They were also ...
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@Dorkmaster Flek did the SMZ3 multiworld race with your autotracker on yesterday, noticed a few issues: 1. when I received an item from my partner in a dungeon, it (erroneously) counted toward the dungeon item count. 2. when I found an item for my partner in a dungeon, it (erroneously) didn't count toward the dungeon item count. really just dungeon item counts for MWs are kinda broken also, when I was playing a solo seed, I picked up speed in spec rock cave, and it didn't mark the item on the map until I clicked it off, however that could just be me not waiting long enough.
Dorkmaster Flek 2021-05-24 06:24
See above, it's a known issue with MW specifically. There's a PR for it.
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mm2nescartridge 2021-05-24 06:24
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Dorkmaster Flek 2021-05-24 06:25
I haven't had any issues with solo however. Some OW spots don't mark as collected on the map until you transition to the next room. I think spec rock cave is one of them (Lost Woods drop spot is another, basically anything with a standing item not in a chest). (edited)
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That has to do with how the game marks the room data memory locations as collected.
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The Unholy 2021-05-25 13:05
Hello Guys. I have an Issue that i dont get the Evertracker shows in the List of Emotracker. I copied the Evermizer Tracker Folder in the Packs Folder from Emotracker but it is not listed in Emotracker
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Sorry for my bad English
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Wattsini91 2021-05-29 03:08
@Hamsda I know this is probably zero priority, but could you do a counter for heart pieces, heart containers, and double defense? And maybe a toggle to show/hide these
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Hamsda 2021-05-29 09:06
hp and hc are in the files, they def will not be included in a default layout since they serve no logical purpose
09:06
so as usual, feel free to override for your needs
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Wattsini91 2021-05-30 23:13
@Lunar Soap Hey, just wondering if your map tracker works for vanilla (non-randomizer) TP?
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Lunar Soap 2021-05-30 23:16
It should for the most part although it was designed with the randomizer in mind. It's going to be updated eventually with an option to base on the vanilla game.
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Wattsini91 2021-05-30 23:18
Can't wait for that! Thanks
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Wattsini91 2021-05-31 01:19
@Lunar Soap also, the Hyrule Castle has so many checks that when I pin it, it doesn't all fit on my screen (I'm on a laptop, 1366x768 resolution)
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Lunar Soap 2021-05-31 01:20
Yeah. I'm aware of that. I have a solution coded out and that will also be included in the update. This version of the tracker was kinda my introduction to making a tracker so it is incredibly unoptomized and could have been better.
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So next version will be a complete overhaul.
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XenoWars 2021-05-31 22:09
@Hamsda On your OOTR tracker, what is the third option when clicking on a dungeon? I know theres vanilla and MQ, but whats the red one? We assume its inaccessible
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Hamsda 2021-05-31 22:18
yeah its like "unknown" for when you play with not full vanilla or MQ
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XenoWars 2021-06-01 06:24
Ah
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UnspunReality 2021-06-05 16:00
@Hamsda On your OoT Tracker, did something change with OW spawn check? I havent played in a while and updated but OW spawn check seems to default to what would logically be where Link/Y.Link could spawn which is ToT/House but you can spawn elsewhere. Like my current seed is adult link > skulltula house > market bazaar exit but I cant mark as market exit cause it assumes that means that was a ToT spawn which is incorrect and then gives me child options. Hmm I am on roman branch though so spawning not at ToT/House might be a roman branch thing and nothing to do with your settings?
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Since randomized spawns could spawn you indoors/etc I usually just mark where an OW would put me if I exited said place. But putting Market for the OW spawn again assumes thats where ToT is and everything is wrong. Panic
16:04
Playing all ER minus OW.
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Hamsda 2021-06-05 16:05
it doesn't assume anything
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unless you are not playing the ER variant (but then you wouldn't even have market as an option)
16:05
https://github.com/Hamsda/EmoTrackerPacks/blob/master/ootrando_overworldmap_hamsda/README.md#settings-entrance-randomizer-only (edited)
16:05
tell it the spawns are shuffled
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UnspunReality 2021-06-05 16:07
Hmm
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It seems to have fixed itself. The first time I set it to market it automatically showed me all the market entrances which shouldnt have been available due to being adult. But I had reset the tracker and now it shows it properly.
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Hamsda 2021-06-05 16:07
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this is what just marking that every ER option is on and saying child is in market looks like
16:08
weird, maybe it was still set to child spawn?
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UnspunReality 2021-06-05 16:08
Right, thats what I saw when I had set adult to market
16:08
Could have been.
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Its fine now tho. So err....
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Hamsda 2021-06-05 16:08
all good 😄
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good luck
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UnspunReality 2021-06-05 16:08
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Hamsda 2021-06-05 16:08
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UnspunReality 2021-06-05 16:08
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XenoWars 2021-06-09 09:09
@Pink Switch Just thought I'd let you know that the South Clock Town chest can be reached as Zora if you dont have a sword. Tracker still has it as red.
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(and this is with the one way geometry trick enabled)
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Pink Switch 2021-06-09 09:14
It's not a logical requirement. Sphere 0 has access to sticks, which act as a jump slash, which takes logical precedence.
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SD_Lizard 2021-06-12 19:54
What are the blue squares in the ocarina of time tracker
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TarThoron 2021-06-12 20:04
#faq
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#faq
SD_Lizard 2021-06-12 20:07
Thanks
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Hamsda 2021-06-13 05:19
in this case they are also (ab)used for hints, not just things you can scout
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PolychromeVirus 2021-06-13 12:30
if you think about it thats kind of the same thing tho
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Hamsda 2021-06-13 12:34
i mean thats why i'm using it, but there are certain differences
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XenoWars 2021-06-14 20:02
@Hamsda how would i make your ER tracker detect that Mido's leads to Mido's as an example? I right click it but it doesnt show the Mido's checks as available.
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Hamsda 2021-06-14 20:03
it only does that if indoors are not randomized
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two main reasons I decided for the pack to work this way: 1) you'd need a unique way to track each house/grotto/whatever. given the limitations i'm working under with capturing spots, that would be extremely unwieldy. something like this really only works in something like mracsys tracker thats webbased with dropdowns and whatnot. 2) the vast majority doesn't even need to be remembered for later. like it would introduce so much extra clicking to mark that midos is somewhere, and then click off midos on the map with checks. you will never go back there later, so just click it away on the entrance map.
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those two together basically made me do this split based on randomized stuff you need to explore and non randomized stuff that behaves like the regular map tracker
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XenoWars 2021-06-14 20:10
I actually realized just now that the plando i made doesn't use any indoor ER, so that works fine.
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XenoWars 2021-06-15 07:51
@Hamsda Something I did notice on the latest update of your tracker is that the Items Only (Keysanity) variant is wrong on the key totals now. Forest normal has max of 6, Fire MQ has max of 8, Water MQ has max of 6, Spirit normal has max of 7, Shadow normal has max of 6, GC normal has max of 3, BotW MQ has max of 3, and GTG MQ has max of 9. Was this done on purpose for them to have just the max number of keys no matter what? I checked the other variants and they aren't like this. (edited)
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Hamsda 2021-06-15 09:34
odd ill take a look later
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Sal the Dragon 2021-06-17 14:48
@Hamsda right clicking the song icons used to mark them with a checkmark, but now it cycles through small icons of all the songs. how is it intended to use that to mark which songs were at which locations?
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Hamsda 2021-06-17 14:48
yup
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ill probably also add a setting so people can just bring the checkmark back if they want to
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Sal the Dragon 2021-06-17 14:51
solid. so for example, I found sun's song at Zl. do I right click over sun's song until the ZL icon cycles in?
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Hamsda 2021-06-17 14:52
they have no logical bearing, so its all up to you
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either you put suns at zl, or zl at suns
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just a way to notate
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Sal the Dragon 2021-06-17 14:55
solid, thanks for the info!
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ill probably also add a setting so people can just bring the checkmark back if they want to
LostThePirate 2021-06-17 15:32
Yes, please, I miss the checkmark.
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If it could be something easily toggled, like bean/soil behavior, that would be awesome. I don't want to take the new feature away from people who like it, but the new behavior is much more of a distraction than an asset to a player like me, so I hope the old behavior will return as an option.
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Hamsda 2021-06-17 15:55
yeah probably just an override of a settings file for people who want the checkmark
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Spleebie 2021-06-17 17:39
What if you just made the checkmark first in the series of options?
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click once for checkmark, keep clicking if you want to cycle through songs
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Hamsda 2021-06-17 17:41
just takes longer to click through then i feel like people want either checkmarks, or the ability to notate
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but then again, if people wanna go ham, should be super easy to customize
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Nicholas Steel 2021-06-18 09:35
@codemann8 During my last couple games with Berserker's Multiworld Door Randomizer and also his Archipelago randomizer I've noticed that the Tower of Hera Basement location is often listed with red text despite the Auto Tracker correctly marking the location as explored/obtained. Map, Compass, Small Keys & Key Drops shuffled in to general item pool. Dungeons Full ER. (edited)
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codemann8 2021-06-18 09:39
It would be helpful to get a screenshot of your inventory/keys/(ER access if applicable)
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Nicholas Steel 2021-06-18 09:41
I don't have a screenshot available, but I'll try to remember to get one next time.
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codemann8 2021-06-18 09:46
When I try to replicate it, it seems to work fine. After giving a firesource + key, it shows as available. So yeah, a screenshot would be helpful here
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Nicholas Steel 2021-06-18 09:54
Yep you're right. For now there's this issue where clearing a entrance designation doesn't update the destination. I set Eastern Palace to be Tower of Hera and then I cleared the ToH designation, the actual Tower of Hera square remains lit as green and accessible when it shouldn't
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Nicholas Steel 2021-06-18 10:04
You can reproduce this 2nd issue with these steps @codemann8 Open the tracker package Enable Map, Compass, Small Key and Key Drops being added to the general item pool Enable Dungeons ER and Doors Shuffle Set Eastern Palace to Tower of Hera Give yourself Sword and Lamp (Tower of Hera changes to green) Clear Tower of Hera designation from Eastern Palace Tower of Hera remains lit as accessible while you have Sword & Lamp. (edited)
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codemann8 2021-06-18 10:08
Ok, this looks like something that might've gotten fixed since the last push to public. I should be doing a push sometime today
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Nicholas Steel 2021-06-18 10:08
It wouldn't surprise me if the designation is lingering despite being cleared.
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codemann8 2021-06-18 10:09
Assigning a dungeon designation does nothing logic-wise fyi, it's just a tracking thing for you (edited)
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codemann8 2021-06-18 10:19
oh @Nicholas Steel I didn't realize you were reporting a 2nd issue, yeah (this comment above ^)
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Akari_Enderwolf 2021-06-18 22:18
so I found an issue with the oot entrance keysanity tracker made by hamsda
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I noticed there were no green squares, even when I checked the one green square I have for starting as a child
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even with basically all items
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the regular keysanity map tracker seems to work fine
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this issue is only on the entrance randomizer one
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it seems
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j_im 2021-06-18 22:22
are you marking child spawn location using the capture?
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Akari_Enderwolf 2021-06-18 22:22
using the capture?
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j_im 2021-06-18 22:22
the dashed-line box
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Akari_Enderwolf 2021-06-18 22:23
that's what that's called?
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been using emotracker for months and always just thought of that as the "item pin"
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j_im 2021-06-18 22:24
yeah, the way hamsda's got it, you put the location in that box
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Akari_Enderwolf 2021-06-18 22:25
ah
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thank you so much
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j_im 2021-06-18 22:25
no problem 👍
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Wattsini91 2021-06-25 00:26
Any chance of making packs made for the vanilla versions of the games?
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strizer86 2021-06-25 02:51
I wouldn't expect it since each pack is made by and maintained by different creators. There's nothing stopping you from just using the packs as is for vanilla tracking though.
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Wattsini91 2021-06-25 06:47
Yeah but the logic is changed in the randomiser. E.g. the trigger for Bombchu Bowling in OoT
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PolychromeVirus 2021-06-25 06:48
in vanilla oot, dont you just need the bomb bag? isnt that the same as chus out of logic?
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Hamsda 2021-06-25 06:55
nah you need to beat DC (step in the blue warp) many triggers are dungeon based in the vanilla game and have been moved to items or dungeon prizes instead it works mostly though
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PolychromeVirus 2021-06-25 08:39
ohhh, that makes sense, regardless you wouldnt get bomb bag until you were there anyway, so unless you were dipping a lot...
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Walu 2021-06-30 19:40
is there any way to force an old save to load after a pack update (edited)
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i really don't want to have to recheck every single box i've gotten for my smz3 tracker (edited)
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TarThoron 2021-06-30 19:44
No. Try changing the version number in the save file to match the new version. The changes are minor enough that nothing should break
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Walu 2021-06-30 19:46
thank fuck that worked
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ngl, "tiny bug fix makes me have to go and remind myself what checks i've gotten" might've legit made me drop this rando. (edited)
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TarThoron 2021-06-30 19:48
I believe that's something that might get fixed in a future version of EmoTracker.
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LostThePirate 2021-06-30 19:48
You can also just wait to update until you've finished your seed, which is the advice always given in this server.
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Walu 2021-06-30 19:49
first time having an update at all
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and figured it wouldn't be so obtuse as to lock me out for a bug fix
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so don't give me shit for that
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LostThePirate 2021-06-30 19:50
It's in the #faq, that's why I'm saying it's the main advice given.
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https://discord.com/channels/386961931988369418/422107004560080896/481611553624424478
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Walu 2021-06-30 19:51
i didn't ask for a lecture dude.
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and sorry i didn't memorize the 8 mile long faq
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LostThePirate 2021-06-30 19:51
No need to get tilted at me because you didn't read the instructions.
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Walu 2021-06-30 19:55
no need to go "you should've read through 60 paragraphs of text and picked out one singular message" (edited)
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EmoSaru 2021-06-30 19:57
“fixed” is a bit debatable as a description, since technically right now it works in the only sane way given that pack devs have free reign to use version numbers how they see fit. The change, if I make it, will require devs to start all using them the same way. No need to be a jerk to somebody, but any time somebody has a question, #faq IS the first place they should look. That’s kinda the reason for the “f” in “faq”.
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Walu 2021-06-30 19:58
the question i asked wasn't even the question that got answered in the message they linked
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i asked "can i fix this, i fucked up", not "should i update"
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whatever i'm lettin my shit day today make me cause fights with strangers online
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sorry for the fuss
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EmoSaru 2021-06-30 20:00
I understand that. I’m addressing the broader issue of #faq’s existence. And it’s fine. Glad you’re able to continue your game, and lesson learned for the future.
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Walu 2021-06-30 20:00
thank ya'll for the help, and apologies for the tilt @LostThePirate
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LostThePirate 2021-06-30 20:00
All good, no harm done.
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TarThoron 2021-06-30 20:04
Would it be possible to add a pop-up that says something along the lines of "Updating this pack will break your save file. Are you sure you want to continue?" if the update is for the active pack? That would at least mitigate the issue some.
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LostThePirate 2021-06-30 20:04
On the topic of packs, though, got a problem with Ham's OoTR ER Variant. Not sure if this is a me problem or not, as I've got an override on the pack to support mixed pools, and it may have broke something in a pack update, but I'm not seeing the Lake Hylia Owl even when owls are shuffled (DMTrail Owl is still showing up, so I'm especially confused).
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EmoSaru 2021-06-30 20:17
I have no idea what save files people have
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Nor does the app
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On the topic of packs, though, got a problem with Ham's OoTR ER Variant. Not sure if this is a me problem or not, as I've got an override on the pack to support mixed pools, and it may have broke something in a pack update, but I'm not seeing the Lake Hylia Owl even when owls are shuffled (DMTrail Owl is still showing up, so I'm especially confused).
Hamsda 2021-06-30 20:24
you don't need an override for that, its sort of the default at the moment and that file has massively changed, so its probably all kinds of broken oO
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you don't need an override for that, its sort of the default at the moment and that file has massively changed, so its probably all kinds of broken oO
LostThePirate 2021-07-02 19:02
I deleted the override, and still, LH Owl still isn't showing up for me, even when DMT Owl is http://prntscr.com/185ipr3 http://prntscr.com/185iw29
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Hamsda 2021-07-02 19:03
ah frick, its overlapping with the grotto, fixed that a while ago but may have gotten lost somewhere on the way
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if you turn off grotto shuffle, you will see it
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thanks for letting me know
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LostThePirate 2021-07-02 19:05
Ah, yup, it's hiding.
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I guess temp solution is pinning it before enabling grotto shuffle and hoping it doesn't get too buried under other pins.
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snub 2021-07-09 08:32
So, EmoTracker accidentally updated my package and now I can't open my tracker file to the package. Is there any way to go back an update so I can play my randomizer without being totally lost. I tried to look through the file but it didn't help seeing as how all of the chests i marked as collected are formatted very weirdly so I can't guide myself into using it, also it will take too much time and I wouldn't want to play the randomizer anymore. If you want more information, I use the Hamsda Ocarina of Time Map and Item Tracker. Thank you in advance.
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Hamsda 2021-07-09 09:02
theres 2 options: if you edit your save file with a text editor, you can try and change the version at the top to match the version of the pack or you can grab the older version of the pack that matches the version you see in the save file
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snub 2021-07-09 09:49
I want to use the most recent version for the bug fixes, so I chose to do the update edit on the json file. I also changed it to key sanity because I am an idiot and forgot to enable it. I tried to make a new file and paste the update into my randomizer one but it isnt working. Is there a tutorial I could follow or anything to help?
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Hamsda 2021-07-09 09:53
just willy nilly editing stuff will not work
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as i said, you can try and edit the version number, in the hopes that I didnt change any of the objects and maybe just logic in the background
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and I very rarely have to fix major, if any, bugs these days, so finishing your one run on an older version is really not a detriment
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snub 2021-07-09 09:56
How do I go back versions though?
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Hamsda 2021-07-09 09:56
https://github.com/Hamsda/EmoTrackerPacks/commits/master/ootrando_overworldmap_hamsda.zip
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snub 2021-07-09 09:57
What do I do with this?
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Hamsda 2021-07-09 09:58
you grab the version that matches yours and place it in Documents\EmoTracker\packs\
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Spleebie 2021-07-09 10:11
Probably meant to link to exactly what he linked (edited)
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Hamsda 2021-07-09 10:11
nope since that will lead to them not just using the zip
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Spleebie 2021-07-09 10:12
a direct link to the zip file of master is just going to be exactly what they have though
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oh
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ok my bad, should have clicked it 🤣
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Hamsda 2021-07-09 10:15
ye its the version history of that file 😛
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snub 2021-07-09 10:34
I figured it out and have been playing it for like 30 minutes and forgot to say thanks for the help, so thanks.
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sk00pula 2021-07-11 14:16
Regarding SMZ3, maybe been mentioned but there's a lot of checks that are shown to be unobtainable in Hard mode when in fact they are. It seems like the rule is just, no yellow checks allowed in hard mode in SM, but in normal, there are yellow checks that would be OoL in BOTH modes. Which I don't get. I understand it's meant to show logic but why make OoL normal checks unobtainable in hard?
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Croc escape here
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Bunch of cases in maridia too
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TarThoron 2021-07-11 16:26
Hmm. Logic says it should be blue in both. Odd that it's showing yellow in Normal. If Hard had yellow squares, it would be yellow there, but that's not an easy room with 3 tanks.
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Dorkmaster Flek 2021-07-12 06:28
Croc escape is a bug, I'm fixing that. For reference, that spot requires "can hell run" which is at least 5 tanks on hard. In Maridia, worth noting that full suitless is not in logic even on hard. So if you can do that, yes you can get most things in Maridia that aren't in logic. (edited)
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In general for SMZ3 (and this is completely arbitrary, I just decided to do it this way) what I did was set the hard mode logic to be yellow/sequence break on normal mode. So yes, that means any yellow checks on normal mode should be green on hard mode (again barring bugs). If there are others where this isn't true, please let me know the specific cases! (edited)
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This is completely arbitrary, but it let me have a consistent rule to follow that matches the actual randomizer logic. It also lets you know what might be required of you on hard if you're thinking about moving up to that level. (edited)
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I'm not the best SM player, so deciding what to show as yellow on hard mode depending on the difficulty of the tricks is not something I'm very good at or wanted to deal with. 😛 (edited)
06:31
But there are quite a few tricks that are in logic on hard mode anyway, so I haven't really had any complaints about doing it this way and it seemed to work well for most players. (edited)
06:33
The fact is a lot of stuff can be obtained if you know some crazy tricks or glitches, or are willing to do crazy RBO-type strats. But if you can do that, you're probably at a much higher level of skill than most people using the tracker is my guess... (edited)
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GamingInfinite 2021-07-12 22:58
don't know if this is a common issue, but my package manager gets like almost all the way done downloading a package, then stops and doesn't do anything. Don't know specifically what's going on but help would be appreciated.
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EmoSaru 2021-07-12 23:28
#faq
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goldenspacedragon 2021-07-13 18:53
Does the Metroid Zero Mission Pack have autotracking yet or will it be close behind?
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In general for SMZ3 (and this is completely arbitrary, I just decided to do it this way) what I did was set the hard mode logic to be yellow/sequence break on normal mode. So yes, that means any yellow checks on normal mode should be green on hard mode (again barring bugs). If there are others where this isn't true, please let me know the specific cases! (edited)
sk00pula 2021-07-13 20:50
I kind of figured that, and so, I get it. But yeah there's a few other instances where things are yellow on Normal, but blue/red on Hard. I'll see if I can find where I made notes of those in the past. Now to the update you sent through, it looks like you...made a yellow square, red now. I guess that uh, fits with the mantra above but might I suggest kind of a modification of something else you said, "It also lets you know what might be required of you on hard if you're thinking about moving up to that level.". So we could like, extend this to having meaning in Hard as well, where yellow checks can represent that which are accessible via well-known and "race-legal" methods; that would show players what could be expected to be effective in a race. I know me anyway, starting on Normal, I only would think to learn about things by seeing a yellow square; it's like hm, ok what makes this accessible and how? I know "well-known" is subjective, and SM race rules vary...way more than they should. But if it would help I can make suggestions as we go. Only because it'd be nicer than doing overrides. Ice clip to shak is very common and red here for one. And I mean I can't do it lol but it just comes up a lot. "If Hard had yellow squares, it would be yellow there, but that's not an easy room with 3 tanks." If you had to run clear from the entrance shaft around crumble and back that'd be fair sure but there's a refill farm past one room past Croc, room temp even. Always available regardless of CF ability. So yeah, racing, I've learned that as much as they say Zelda's broken, SM is WAAAY more so. I guess there's like 6 ways into shaktool for instance. Above all though I do wanna thank you for your time on this pack. I wouldn't know jack without it tbh. Just thinking of some things I think could improve it.
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Dorkmaster Flek 2021-07-14 11:48
Well the idea is it lets you know "hey if you were on hard mode, this would actually be in logic" so you can look further into the logic on the official site from there if you want. On the other hand, the LTTP logic includes some sequence breaks for allowed glitches (basically copied from the official LTTPR pack, although there's only one difficulty for LTTP currently) so we have some arbitrary sequence breaks shown already on one side... I guess I'd be willing to add some for SM, in principle. (edited)
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The missile above Croc is not in logic even on hard mode, because hard mode requires "can hell run" which is at least 5 tanks total (or varia). (edited)
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goldenspacedragon 2021-07-22 12:13
How would I go about finding RAM pages for items? Specifically talking about Metroids Fusion and Zero Mission.
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jat2980 2021-07-22 12:14
You mean the location where these items are located in memory
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I set a save state before picking up the item, use bizhawk's memory watch feature and determine what is static before picking up the item while doing other things, changes once I pick up the item and then is static again
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Once you find the location in memory for one item the others are generally nearby which helps though
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goldenspacedragon 2021-07-22 12:17
Okay that is flying over my head But what you're saying is that if someone can find that for Zero Mission and take the time to go through all of it Autotracking is a possibility got it
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jat2980 2021-07-22 12:17
I don't know what platform zero mission is on. Auto tracking is also only supported for certain platforms
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goldenspacedragon 2021-07-22 12:18
GBA, which has autotracking for Fusion already
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jat2980 2021-07-22 12:18
Yup! I might message the creator of Fusion's autotracker. I did it for Final Fantasy 1 on the NES which is obviously a bit different
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goldenspacedragon 2021-07-22 12:18
That's UltiNaruto
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jat2980 2021-07-22 12:19
There may also already be a de-compile or memory breakdown somewhere on the web for Zero Mission which helps a lot
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goldenspacedragon 2021-07-22 12:19
I hope there is?....
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TarThoron 2021-07-22 12:37
If anyone knows, it's the Metroid Construction crew. https://discord.com/invite/xDwaaqa
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goldenspacedragon 2021-07-22 12:43
http://labk.org/maps/zm/ram.html https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UKhlqMJfyZ6BmOxYyEB_5Xk9uK8ZbcrAwb-7wRPj688/edit This is what I was given
[ZM] Event list
Sheet1 Dec,Hex,Text,Text,Translation,Description 00,00,0,ダミーダコリャ,this is a dummy,Dummy event 01,01,EASY,イージーモードオン,easy mode on,Easy mode 02,02,HARD,ハードモードオン,hard mode on,Hard mode 03,03,DMWAKEUP,デモ　マザーノメザメ,demo mother waking,Enter Norfair demo played 04,04,DMRETURN,デモ　リドリーキカン,demo Ridley ship,Ex...
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goldenspacedragon 2021-07-22 17:29
Hey @jat2980 does any of this help you?
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Espy the Espeon 2021-08-05 07:58
im playing Metroid Prime 2 vanilla but wanted to use the tracker to make sure i wasnt missing any items i could get (and sequence break if need be). i have 1 missile and the violet translator but its saying i cant go anywhere at all. im not sure if im using the tracker wrong or if the tracker is not functioning
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Espy the Espeon 2021-08-05 08:08
nevermind, it was me. I didnt realize the Missile Launcher was a separate toggle from the missle capacity, that may want to be adjusted later for the tracker since it would stand to reason if you have 5 missile capacity, you must have the launcher...unless rando MP2 will give you expansions but wont let you use them until you find the launcher
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PolychromeVirus 2021-08-05 08:21
wouldnt be surprised, i know WWR does that with bombs, depends how mp2 handles it internally id guess
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Espy the Espeon 2021-08-05 08:43
i was also confused at first when the doors that need the translator are marked as items, but ig its because the randomizer can also randomize which doors need which translator
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MeleeWizard 2021-08-05 13:33
"MP2 will give you expansions but wont let you use them until you find the launcher" That is a thing, yes. Power Bombs can work that way too, depending on what settings you use.
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Not_The_werewolf 2021-08-06 09:51
im trying to add this pack, http://bombch.us/DPut and i put the pack where it says in faq, but in the tracker app, it does not show it. how do i fix it?
Release Fledge's Crystals · j-imbo/jim_packages
Fledge Crystals requires dungeon at Lanayru Desert
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Espy the Espeon 2021-08-12 12:54
in the MP2 tracker (once again im doing plain vanilla) ive gotten to the point where im suppose to go to the spiderball guardian, so first entering the Sanctuary. however the gate for the sanctuary in Temple Grounds shows blue on the tracker and is showing to be locked behind a cobalt door, which it is not, its an emerald door. Also i think because of this, the logic for that section is defaulting to having both spider and cobalt when both are actually gotten there. the only way to show any checks in Sanctuary is to say you already have cobalt and spider which i do not
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here shows the cobalt as needed
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here is sanctuary without any checks
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here is sanctuary only after checking off both cobalt and spider
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noting that one of the checks is spiderball itself
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cobalt translator is locked away
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It appears that Cobalt requires Power bomb according to current logic as the only difference between my game now and the tracker in this shot is the addition of powerbomb
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Espy the Espeon 2021-08-12 14:14
Ok after playing with the tracker, i found i can change what each door wants. the door for GFMC Compound is Emerald by default and should be adjusted to prevent issues with sanctuary fortress logic
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Ok after playing with the tracker, i found i can change what each door wants. the door for GFMC Compound is Emerald by default and should be adjusted to prevent issues with sanctuary fortress logic
Dual [CDT UTC-5] (TWWR) 2021-08-12 15:12
Does it display emerald or is it blue and accept emerald?
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Espy the Espeon 2021-08-12 15:13
In tracker its displayed violet. But even with violet, or hell even with all translators it still won't go green.
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It will only go green once you go into settings and set the door to emerald
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before
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and you can see on both shots i have all translators
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also, if guardians are going to be included in the logic, for the next UI update, probably should include them like under the items on the left
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i noticed the missile on the ship didnt turn green until i clicked on jump guardian
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so unless the space jump is always on jump guardian, then it should probably be removed from the logic for that spot
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and even if it is, then that means spacejump check is all that is needed
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Dual [CDT UTC-5] (TWWR) 2021-08-12 15:40
False, jump guardian is what makes that check accessible. It is missing until jump guardian is slain, don't ask me why
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Dual [CDT UTC-5] (TWWR) 2021-08-12 15:50
But for the translator gates, there isn't a vanilla gates option?
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Espy the Espeon 2021-08-12 15:59
If there is idk how to set it
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And I didnt know about that logic check
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Espy the Espeon 2021-08-13 11:13
@Dual [CDT UTC-5] (TWWR) Im seeing a lot of items appearing green when i dont have the items needed, for example the power bomb expansion in Main Gyro Chamer, which requires Anhiliator beam to access. It seems to imply that i must do the Quadraxis skip which i niether know how to do nor want to do even if i did. You mentioned about settings for vanilla translator gates, which seems to imply there are settings that im not seeing to adjust the conditions of the map tracker. Could you show me how i can do this if you know? (edited)
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Dual [CDT UTC-5] (TWWR) 2021-08-13 11:27
I don't, I know settings in Randovania
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Espy the Espeon 2021-08-13 11:28
does randovania have a map tracker?
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UltiNaruto 2021-08-13 11:31
a text one (edited)
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Espy the Espeon 2021-08-13 11:32
text?
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i may need to talk to Xenowars to see what they think about it since they are the creator
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UltiNaruto 2021-08-13 11:45
in the open menu on the main window of randovania (edited)
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Espy the Espeon 2021-08-13 11:58
umm..ulgg..i just checked my randovania version. its 0.16.2
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yeaaa i think its time for an update
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MeleeWizard 2021-08-19 19:22
@Hamsda Not sure if it's a pack issue or an EmoTracker issue, but loading a save doesn't seem to work quite right. Left is when I saved, right is when I loaded immediately after. This is using the keysanity map tracker if it matters.
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I suspect it might be a weird interaction involving MQ, but idk.
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LostThePirate 2021-08-19 21:09
Collecting vanilla-Ocarina Gift From Saria doesn't "stick" after a load.
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It reverts for some reason.
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I've noticed that, when saving settings bases to load up for, like, League or MW.
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PolychromeVirus 2021-08-19 22:11
ive mentioned it before, it happens to strength and masks too
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(ie reverting to the sold mask item and increasing gauntlet level)
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i forget the response i got when i brought it up though...
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Hamsda 2021-08-20 12:18
with how I'm handling the vanilla items, theres not much I can do about it https://github.com/Hamsda/EmoTrackerPacks/issues/117 the keys I can probably fix though...
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ShyLittleRainn 2021-08-21 10:48
does anyone have a fix for the install button not working? everytime i hit install, the green bar progresses and finishes but nothing installs.
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EmoSaru 2021-08-21 10:52
#faq https://discord.com/channels/386961931988369418/422107004560080896/490391971114909706
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ShyLittleRainn 2021-08-21 10:53
oh thanks so much
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Orano 2021-08-27 15:44
So, uh, to the creators of the Wind Waker rando pack... this is still kinda wrong... Long passage should need the leaf, and I don't got it.
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Unless there's some way to get it with what I have, in which case, please tell me how.
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Spleebie 2021-08-27 15:45
Tingle tuner maybe?
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Orano 2021-08-27 15:47
Is that REALLY the logic? Damn. Well, IAC, Dolphin doesn't emulate GBA hardware and I don't have a GBA/Gamecube link cable for my gamecube controller adaptor.
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PolychromeVirus 2021-08-27 15:49
actually i think dolphin does
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i know theres a way to do it in dolphin
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Orano 2021-08-27 15:49
And apparently, that's not the only answer. I just turned off the Tingle tuner, and the tracker still says I can do it.
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Spleebie 2021-08-27 15:51
It looks like there might be a glitch to get to it. There's a big update that @Darkened5ky has been sitting on that I think will fix that issue by putting it behind a glitch flag
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Orano 2021-08-27 15:51
Ok.
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Orano
Is that REALLY the logic? Damn. Well, IAC, Dolphin doesn't emulate GBA hardware and I don't have a GBA/Gamecube link cable for my gamecube controller adaptor.
MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2021-08-27 22:42
There’s a relatively recent Kotaku article claiming confirmation that Dolphin supports the GBA connectivity in GameCube games. To what degree, I have no idea.
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Orano 2021-08-27 22:44
Yeah, I checked that out. I admit I was wrong.
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Orano
Yeah, I checked that out. I admit I was wrong.
MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2021-08-27 22:48
I mean, more importantly, does it work? (If you’ve had the opportunity to try it out.)
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Orano 2021-08-27 22:50
It doesn't, but that's more from me not having the required files (like a GBA bios). I'd rather wait 'till I get a Gamecube/GBA link cable, anyway. It's easier... and more legal :p
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2021-08-27 22:50
Fair enough.
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PolychromeVirus 2021-08-28 00:20
my friend did get it to work
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AzureAJ 2021-08-29 10:00
I'm having issues updating the Wind Waker tracker, it says an update's available, but it won't finish installing it. It's not a Firewall issue either, since I can still install other trackers/packs like usual. I also tried uninstalling it and reinstalling it from both EmoTracker and from the tracker's page in GitHub, but it still says an update's available for it.
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Spleebie 2021-08-29 10:02
It's my fault, I didn't update the version number in the pack's own manifest.json. I just updated the download but EmoTracker is still pulling the old one
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AzureAJ 2021-08-29 10:02
Ah, okay
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Spleebie 2021-08-29 10:03
I just closed out and started emotracker again and it worked, can you try that?
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AzureAJ 2021-08-29 10:05
I'm not sure what changed, but it worked now--thanks!
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MuffinJets 2021-08-29 23:13
@MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge @Orano Dolphin has had VBA connectivity for the longest time, but it was garbage It's recently gotten integrated mGBA support and it's significantly better than it has been before
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https://youtu.be/bs--wWcFb9o
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mGBA Integration Demonstration - Take GBA/GCN Connectivity Games On...
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The rando doesn't expect the tingle tuner at all for logic though
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That being said the most that tingle will do for rando is that you can get logically free bombs (edited)
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@MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge @Orano Dolphin has had VBA connectivity for the longest time, but it was garbage It's recently gotten integrated mGBA support and it's significantly better than it has been before
MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2021-08-29 23:30
That’s what it was. mGBA being added recently is what I’m remembering seeing.
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Orano 2021-08-30 01:23
alright
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Zatamataz 2021-09-05 13:32
i found a weird logic bug with ALTTP - inverted map tracker where the catfish check was still marked as undoable (red) but i had light world access (had to kill aga), a mirror and flippers which would let me get there via the whirlpools in light world then mirror into dark world to do the check
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EmoSaru 2021-09-05 15:33
I will take a look.
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Orano
So, uh, to the creators of the Wind Waker rando pack... this is still kinda wrong... Long passage should need the leaf, and I don't got it.
Dual [CDT UTC-5] (TWWR) 2021-09-07 19:25
What are your settings? It looks like you have glitched logic enabled which means it would be on logic.
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Orano 2021-09-08 03:50
@Dual [CDT UTC-5] (TWWR) That was before the newest update, when it WAS actually in Standard settings. Thanks for trying to help, though. (edited)
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mrmissouri25 2021-09-19 20:02
i'm trying to update a pack, but every time i click update, it looks like it is updating, but then stops. i want to uninstall it to install it all, but there is no uninstall button available on it.
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cluekitty 2021-09-19 20:03
Did you extract the pack into a folder?
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mrmissouri25 2021-09-19 20:04
not to my knowledge.
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cluekitty 2021-09-19 20:05
Maybe antivirus or something getting in the way then? #faq has some info on things that might prevent updates, but as for not having the "uninstall" button, I've only encountered that when I extracted the .zip file into a folder to try and learn about stuff
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mrmissouri25 2021-09-19 20:05
i found it.
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i deleted it from the folder, redownloaded it. now its good to go.
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thanks!
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condensed milk 2021-09-22 20:32
has anyone else experienced confusing colors in the codetracker pack? like it shows orange for a dungeon with only sequence breaks and inaccessible items, and it shows yellow for an area with one in-logic item and one sequence break
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TarThoron 2021-09-22 20:42
Usually a yellow in that case means it's dependant on key layout.
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PolychromeVirus 2021-09-22 20:43
in emotracker orange shows for any mix of colours except green yellow
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condensed milk 2021-09-22 20:43
i would never expect to see yellow if there are actual in-logic items that appears as white inside that area - am i wrong?
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PolychromeVirus 2021-09-22 20:43
yellow always shows for a combination of accessible and sequence breakable checks, orange is any other combination
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condensed milk 2021-09-22 20:44
that's a bug, no?
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PolychromeVirus 2021-09-22 20:44
i remember mentioning it before, i dont know if it's a bug
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condensed milk 2021-09-22 20:44
i would expect orange there
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PolychromeVirus 2021-09-22 20:44
but it's emotracker base, not the specific pack
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condensed milk 2021-09-22 20:44
i know in hamsda for oot, an orange area always has some white in-logic item
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PolychromeVirus 2021-09-22 20:45
thats not true
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condensed milk 2021-09-22 20:45
there are no exceptions
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that was my understanding anyway
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PolychromeVirus 2021-09-22 20:45
skulltula house in oot always shows orange with blue and red
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it only shows as blue if it's only blue
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condensed milk 2021-09-22 20:45
oh you're right
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TarThoron 2021-09-22 20:45
Example: you have book, glove, and a fire source, but no boots. Desert should appear yellow, because if the torch is map/compass, you can still get everything important, but if it's a key or item, you can't.
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condensed milk 2021-09-22 20:46
yeah i guess that makes sense
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i think it's just the area appearing yellow with in-logic items inside thats catching me off guard
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some friends and i have been playing and we all missed a ton of stuff lol because we ignored areas that were yellow
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i think in hamsda you don't see in-logic stuff under yellow areas
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PolychromeVirus 2021-09-22 20:47
you do
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you definitely do
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yellow-green always resolves to yellow
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any other combination of checks inside of a larger check group resolves to orange
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condensed milk 2021-09-22 20:48
well i'm shocked lol, i must be missing a ton of items all the time
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TarThoron 2021-09-22 20:48
If it were up to me, situations like that would have a completely different color (probably cyan), but that's how Emo set it up in the base pack. /Shrug (edited)
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condensed milk 2021-09-22 20:48
that makes no sense to me though
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i'm never going to do a sequence break so yellow items are effectively red for me
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so when i see a yellow area, i see an area not worth going to
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well thanks for the info anyway i was clearly misinformed lol
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PolychromeVirus 2021-09-22 20:49
no prob bob, it's something I miss checks to a lot
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VampireKnight 2021-09-22 20:52
Whatcha talking about? Sequence breaking is there for a reason 😄
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PolychromeVirus 2021-09-22 20:55
(sequence breaking is also something to pay attention to if you use nonstandard settings that change the logic up significantly)
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MuffinJets 2021-09-22 20:56
Not having enough keys can call for sequence breaking
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Nicholas Steel 2021-09-28 09:44
@Dorkmaster Flek I just full cleared Thieves Town and it thinks the first 2 chests haven't been obtained
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Dorkmaster Flek 2021-09-28 09:49
Is it a multiworld?
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There is a known issue with autotracking in MW. I've submitted an ASM patch to fix it, but the whole MW functionality is due to be revamped so I don't know when the next version will come.
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Nicholas Steel 2021-09-28 09:58
Ah okay, yeah it's a Multiworld.
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TarThoron 2021-09-28 09:58
https://github.com/tewtal/alttp_sm_combo_randomizer_rom/pull/59
Fix autotracking dungeon chest counters in multiworld by Dorkmaster...
This fixes an issue where the dungeon chest counters used for autotracking in non-keysanity mode were not being incremented when you found an item for another player in multiworld. They were also ...
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Nicholas Steel 2021-09-28 09:59
Thanks.
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Dorkmaster Flek 2021-09-28 10:00
Yeah that's the one. 👍
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bryanburke 2021-09-28 10:18
Does anyone know of a pack for the SM VARIA randomizer? I know the VARIA website has one built in, but wondering if a pack for Emotracker is in the works.
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TarThoron 2021-09-28 10:36
The amount of customization available for VARIA makes a comprehensive pack difficult to make. You could potentially make one for the 6 standard presets. Even that is a bit of work.
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Dorkmaster Flek 2021-09-28 11:06
In theory, you could do it as a settings popup similar to the ZOOTR pack. But the logic will be a mess. 😛
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GoatiestGoat 2021-10-04 17:49
@Pink Switch I'm using your map tracker for Majora's Mask rando (and loving it) but was wondering - is there a setting I need to turn on so that Honey and Darling show up as an "Any Day" check instead of all three days. This particular seed I was working on had Epona's song there in logic since I had bomb bag, but the tracker showed as out of logic since I couldn't do all three days
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Pink Switch 2021-10-04 17:56
Mundane shuffle
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GoatiestGoat 2021-10-04 17:57
Oh! Thank you that worked 🙂
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condensed milk 2021-10-07 10:58
can you really get to lttp king zora with nothing? codemann's seems to say that you can
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nevermind i'm probably just dumb
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TarThoron 2021-10-07 11:01
Fake flipper to the whirlpool (edited)
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condensed milk 2021-10-07 11:28
wouldn't that be yellow though, for sequence break?
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he's showing up as white but i have no flippers or strength
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or pearl or mirror
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Spleebie 2021-10-07 11:55
looks like a bug @codemann8
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I'm seeing the same in 2.4.0.10
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codemann8 2021-10-07 11:58
yeah I'll take a look... also skimmed thru the conversation from a week or so ago, not sure if it was mentioned, but orange simply means there is at least one sublocation here that is not obtainable and at least one sublocation that can be obtained (seq break included), so see more detail you hold left click on the orange square to see the individual access to the sublocations, this is a base emotracker feature that cannot be circumvented in any pack (edited)
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Spleebie 2021-10-07 11:59
yeah in this even if zora shows yellow the square will still be orange
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codemann8 2021-10-07 12:01
which is prob why it went unnoticed for a long time
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but I have fixed the issue and will show up in the next update, albeit prob not for awhile since I just released an update yesterday
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PolychromeVirus 2021-10-07 12:55
thats not quite true, it shows orange because theres a blue, but yellow + red shows as yellow. red and blue resolves to orange, much to my chagrin
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PolychromeVirus 2021-10-07 13:10
wait i may have misremembered that, i think its yellow amd green resolves to yellow oops
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condensed milk 2021-10-08 19:50
hamsda's Market 10 big poes is marked as a sequence break, but i can't lose the big poe in my bottle. shouldn't this be white?
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MeleeWizard 2021-10-08 20:04
I'm going to guess the tracker can't assume you only need 1 Big Poe to do the check.
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Like, if you need 10 poes, having one in a bottle won't do you much good, but you can still turn it in.
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Hamsda 2021-10-08 22:33
yup
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condensed milk 2021-10-09 09:13
oh thanks, that makes sense. i didn't realize i never told it how many i need lol
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i had another question, can you get DMC great fairy as child
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it's on my child map
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Hamsda 2021-10-09 09:30
if you were to spawn there, yeah
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condensed milk 2021-10-09 09:30
oh, jeez ok
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there's so much to keep track of
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so many variables
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Hamsda 2021-10-09 09:31
well thats randos for ya
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Nicholas Steel 2021-10-16 03:50
Hmmm, something seems amiss with the Wind Waker map tracker. If I left click an inventory item to indicate I possess it locations will show up as green, if I right click the item to indicate I don't possess it more locations will light up as green, cycling between left and right click a couple times will keep adding more locations as accessible (to an extent). Just toggle the Wind Waker (or any other item) item on/off to reproduce. (edited)
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Nicholas Steel 2021-10-16 04:43
I dunno which of the listed devs is the active dev for that package. (edited)
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I dunno which of the listed devs is the active dev for that package. (edited)
Spleebie 2021-10-16 07:26
@Dual [CDT UTC-5] (TWWR)
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Nicholas Steel 2021-10-17 00:47
I expect it may have slipped past the dev as you tend to only ever toggle on an item, with toggling off only being done if you've mistakenly marked something. (another person on that randomizer's discord confirms the issue) (edited)
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Nicholas Steel 2021-10-18 04:58
@SauceRelic I don't know if you're still maintaining it but it'd be nice if the Metroid Prime map tracker included a toggle for Scan Visor in the inventory since it can now be shuffled (ie: don't light up locations that require it as available if you don't have it). (edited)
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SauceRelic 2021-10-18 05:04
Yeah I haven't worked on it in a while. I had a big update in the works but COVID hit and my depression got pretty bad for a while. I don't even know where I left off so I would probably have to start over. If I do decide to work on this again I'll keep this in mind but it's gonna be a hot minute before anything comes of it
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Nicholas Steel 2021-10-22 02:35
@XenoWars Heya, is the Metroid Prime 2 map tracker still being worked on? Will it get support for stuff like random starting location, randomized elevator destinations, tricks etc.? @SauceRelic You didn't want something like a rough list of stuff missing right? (edited)
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XenoWars 2021-10-22 06:58
In progress
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HG_Shurtugal 2021-10-30 12:48
For the WindWaker pack inside Paw Print Island is not showing up at all
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Spleebie 2021-10-30 19:18
It's an issue with the latest pack update. Until @Dual [CDT UTC-5] (TWWR) can look into it you might have to switch to the dv_im variant and just leave it on glitchless
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Dual [CDT UTC-5] (TWWR) 2021-10-30 19:27
That won't have the same logic groups
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I'm getting off work now, I can dig and see what's up. I imagine it's actual something with cave randomization, not dv_im logic restructure
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Spleebie 2021-10-30 22:10
Someone else reported it on github, seemed to be the new "mixed caves" option being missing in normal rando
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and paw print only looks for that flag
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Dual [CDT UTC-5] (TWWR) 2021-10-31 21:07
Hmm
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MeleeWizard 2021-11-07 03:54
Is it odd that the Oracle of Ages pack supports NDI (or whatever phrasing it's supposed to be) but Oracle of Seasons does not?
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TarThoron 2021-11-07 05:43
Different developers
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EmoSaru 2021-11-07 08:50
NDI is a core feature of the application, and is not up to pack developers to support. The extent to which pack developers are involved with NDI is... 1) Providing a proper broadcast view layout 2) Not setting an explicit background color for their broadcast-view layout (edited)
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If what you mean is that they have set an explicit background color, this is something you can change as a user by exporting and editing an override.
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TimBagels 2021-11-07 13:39
Hey, I'm trying out the PK Scramble rando for earthbound for the first time. I have the tracker up for it, and there's graphics for the game I've never seen before. Is there documentation for the tracker somewhere that says or shows what is what?
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TarThoron 2021-11-07 14:16
Try holding your mouse over the unknowns until a tooltip pops up. You can also turn on Fast Tooltips in the gear menu so they come up sooner.
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TimBagels 2021-11-07 14:58
huh. That would be why i couldnt find any ask threads
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I only ever used the tracker for the zelda-SM combo rando before, so I never knew about hover
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Thank you
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snub 2021-11-11 04:49
I have started to play Wind Waker Randomizer and I installed the tracker by Darkened5ky, and I cannot seem to find where to enable dungeon entrance randomizing. On the GitHub, the README states that dungeon entrance randomizing was added in version 2.0.1.0, and I don't have the option for an update so that means I am on the most recent version 2.0.2.0. Is it hidden away, or am I just blind. This issue could heavily impact my game, thank you in advance for helping.
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Nicholas Steel 2021-11-11 05:03
I'll check
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Settings > Top left most option
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snub 2021-11-11 05:05
That is dungeon chest randomization, I am looking for entrance randomization.
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If you disable it, it removes the tracking for the temples.
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Nicholas Steel 2021-11-11 05:07
try the dv_im map variant (edited)
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snub 2021-11-11 05:07
Would that ruin my current file?
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Nicholas Steel 2021-11-11 05:08
Save first.
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snub 2021-11-11 05:08
Okay
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All it adds is starting islands and banning islands, which isn't an option I have.
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Nicholas Steel 2021-11-11 05:10
Hmmmmmmm...... yeah, I'm at a loss.
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snub 2021-11-11 05:11
In the scenario that I cannot enable it, is there any way I would be able to know what chests I can/cannot get?
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Nicholas Steel 2021-11-11 05:13
@Darkened5ky How do you enable Dungeon Entrance Randomization for Wind Waker package? Snub wants to know (and I'm curious as well). (edited)
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Spleebie 2021-11-11 10:33
This is really a question for @Dual [CDT UTC-5] (TWWR) who is the current maintainer of the pack. I'm not sure what the Cave Entrance Randomization option is supposed to do
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@Darkened5ky How do you enable Dungeon Entrance Randomization for Wind Waker package? Snub wants to know (and I'm curious as well). (edited)
Dual [CDT UTC-5] (TWWR) 2021-11-11 12:24
At this time, it just assumes that if you can get to DRC, all are potentially in logic. The eventual plan is to make there a "found" item for the dungeons, but there is no setting.
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This is really a question for @Dual [CDT UTC-5] (TWWR) who is the current maintainer of the pack. I'm not sure what the Cave Entrance Randomization option is supposed to do
Dual [CDT UTC-5] (TWWR) 2021-11-11 12:25
As for SCR, it is a terrible hacky way to get the caves to appear in their respective locations, I would like to eventually find a better solution.
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LostThePirate 2021-11-28 14:20
@Hamsda How do the new OoTR pack presets work? I cycled to S5, but it isn't loading S5's settings, and if I change them manually, they aren't saved if I close and reopen ET.
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I checked the Readme, but it doesn't seem to be included there.
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Hamsda 2021-11-28 14:22
The presets icon is a customizable preset loader. Cycle through the presets with left click and load with right click (some settings might require an extra right click since they depend on other settings). To customize the presets, please override scripts/user_presets.lua and edit to your liking. I hope the structure is fairly straightforward. Which setting number corresponds to which setting can be found in items/options.json (0 based indexing).
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its just something people can customize in code however they want
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and they don't include items or anything like that, at that point just use a save
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merely a quick way to not have to fiddle through the rando settings if theres only a few setting variations people play
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LostThePirate 2021-11-28 14:23
Hmm, right-clicking S5 fills out every key for some reason...? http://prntscr.com/20y0l78
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Hamsda 2021-11-28 14:23
yeah because they are in their own dungeons
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LostThePirate 2021-11-28 14:24
And I can't right click them to un-select the keys
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I still count keys for Fire/Water, and for Spirit logic.
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Hamsda 2021-11-28 14:25
ah ye
14:25
its the new https://github.com/Hamsda/EmoTrackerPacks/blob/master/ootrando_overworldmap_hamsda/SETTINGS.md#main-rules-shuffle-dungeon-items (edited)
14:25
and in the s5 preset thats set to not shuffle
14:26
so if you prefer it the other way, just override the user_presets.lua and turn those off 🙂
14:26
similarly, since I have no clue about all the blitz stuff going on, people can make presets for those
14:26
was kinda my thinking
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LostThePirate 2021-11-28 14:26
I still need to figure out how to override the song checkmarks and now bean spots... But I'm not a coder, and there's no guide or anything, so I've got no clue how any of taht is supposed to be done.
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Hamsda 2021-11-28 14:28
override user_settings.lua and change whatever you want to true
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Akari_Enderwolf 2021-11-30 16:42
hollow knight randomizer 3's tracker seems to be missing several options, like having swimming randomized and getting items from boss geo instead of boss essence
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I'm using the fantallis one
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Akari_Enderwolf 2021-12-01 00:07
also unable to track lore tablets
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Nicholas Steel 2021-12-01 00:26
@fantallis see Akari above.
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fantallis 2021-12-01 05:08
yes, it was made before those options were added to the randomizer
05:09
eventually i expect to get around to updating it for the current settings
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Sal the Dragon 2021-12-06 13:11
@Hamsda hey so I'm trying to change the tracker settings for shuffled keys (I turn on boss keysanity) but when clicking on any of the four options there, nothing happens
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@Hamsda hey so I'm trying to change the tracker settings for shuffled keys (I turn on boss keysanity) but when clicking on any of the four options there, nothing happens
Hamsda 2021-12-06 22:08
are you using a keysanity variant?
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Sal the Dragon 2021-12-06 22:13
I am not
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Hamsda 2021-12-07 00:43
https://github.com/Hamsda/EmoTrackerPacks/blob/master/ootrando_overworldmap_hamsda/SETTINGS.md#main-rules-shuffle-dungeon-items (edited)
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Sal the Dragon 2021-12-07 22:03
well that makes sense
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mewlif 2021-12-13 08:17
I am wanting to make a pack, are there any tutorials?
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EmoSaru 2021-12-13 08:45
#customization-support
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Sal the Dragon 2021-12-24 23:12
I would recommend #autotracker-support
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Slumber Jack 2021-12-24 23:12
gosh dangit every time I post in here it's the wrong channel
23:12
thanks
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Markus4993 2021-12-28 10:03
I can no longer download packs
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EmoSaru 2021-12-28 10:11
This is working fine on my end. Are you behind a firewall or proxy that is blocking Amazon AWS servers? What region of the world are you in?
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Markus4993 2021-12-28 10:12
in germany
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EmoSaru 2021-12-28 10:14
I do not see any AWS issues reported, so I would be inclined to suspect something about your network configuration.
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Markus4993 2021-12-28 10:16
Yesterday morning the tracker was still working perfectly and at noon it stopped working even though I haven't changed my settings
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EmoSaru 2021-12-28 10:17
Have you tried rebooting your machine? It's possible that there was an AWS outage and you've got some sort of cache issues?
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Markus4993 2021-12-28 10:19
Yes, I have restarted my pc and I don't have any problems with my pc
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Markus4993 2021-12-28 10:34
I have now issued all virus programs and looked for problems but it still does not work
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Nicholas Steel 2021-12-28 10:35
What is the version number of your Emotracker?
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Markus4993 2021-12-28 10:36
2.3.8.14
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EmoSaru 2021-12-28 10:48
Anybody else in Germany here who can test whether they are having the same issue?
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little_red 2021-12-28 10:54
i'm next door to germany in the netherlands, i'll check if i have the same issue
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little_red 2021-12-28 11:02
seems to be working fine here (edited)
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delvan 2021-12-28 11:56
I connected to a Germany IP with my VPN, package manager works fine for me still
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LostThePirate 2022-01-04 14:56
Hey @Darkened5ky / @Spleebie - sorry to bug you. Your pack is listed on the OoTR Wiki as very out of date/not maintained, and a note that you intended to convert it from a map pack to an items only pack. ...It's said that on the Wiki for quite a long time, and we still have new users grabbing it because they prefer how it looks to Ham's pack. Is it still the plan to downgrade it, or has that been abandoned at some point and OoTR Support just never got the memo?
14:56
https://wiki.ootrandomizer.com/index.php?title=Trackers#Darkened5ky.27s_.26_Spleebie.27s_Package
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Spleebie 2022-01-04 15:02
Yo, props for this wiki page that's amazing.
15:04
The plan is still to downgrade it at some point, I stopped being interested in OOTR and Sky doesn't really have the time or inclination to update the logic either. The last logic update was July 2018 😬
15:05
The past few times I played it I used Hamsda's pack myself
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LostThePirate 2022-01-04 15:53
Yeah, it's still rocking 2.x TR fork logic if that's the last update; we're up to 6.2 now, lol.
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delvan 2022-01-04 15:54
It is on github, so all it takes it someone still active in that community motivated enough to fork it and update the logic if the community prefers it
15:54
https://github.com/cheuer/ootr_map_tracker I believe
GitHub - cheuer/ootr_map_tracker: OoT Randomizer Map Tracker
OoT Randomizer Map Tracker. Contribute to cheuer/ootr_map_tracker development by creating an account on GitHub.
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It is on github, so all it takes it someone still active in that community motivated enough to fork it and update the logic if the community prefers it
LostThePirate 2022-01-04 15:57
Pretty much everyone uses Hamsda's pack if they use an ET map tracker; the problem is new users who don't ask for recommendations/read the Wiki and like the aesthetics of this pack more, not realizing that its logic is really off from contemporary OoTR logic.
15:58
There are, uh, probably quadruple the number of major settings than there were back then.
15:59
Plus all the minor tweaks and fixes, and how certain settings work really differently than they used to.
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The T 2022-01-05 17:26
I put an outside pack into C:\Users\ [name]\Documents\EmoTracker\packs and it doesn't show up in Installed Packs. I remember seeing/experiencing this issue before, but don't remember what the fix is. I've confirmed I'm on the current version, 2.3.8.15. (edited)
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TarThoron 2022-01-05 17:30
Is it zipped up?
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The T 2022-01-05 17:30
yes
17:30
opening it up, it looks exactly the same as any other; images folder, etc., settings.json and manifest.json in the root (edited)
17:34
huh; I unzipped one of them and now it works; the other one doesn't.
17:39
fwiw it's this: https://github.com/neomatamune/minecraft_rando_tracker/releases/tag/v0.0.2
Release v0.0.2 · neomatamune/minecraft_rando_tracker
Minor logic changes : Corrected logic: "Those were the days" no longer require nether access "Cover me in debris" can be validated out of logic with no scraps "A Balanced...
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Hey @Darkened5ky / @Spleebie - sorry to bug you. Your pack is listed on the OoTR Wiki as very out of date/not maintained, and a note that you intended to convert it from a map pack to an items only pack. ...It's said that on the Wiki for quite a long time, and we still have new users grabbing it because they prefer how it looks to Ham's pack. Is it still the plan to downgrade it, or has that been abandoned at some point and OoTR Support just never got the memo?
Darkened5ky 2022-01-05 18:08
I will look at converting it to items only. Shouldn't take long. But it will be a few days before I have the time
18:09
Kind of wish I'd had the motivation to keep it updated, but I prefer alttpr over ootr and life just got in the way.
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LostThePirate 2022-01-05 18:11
It's all good, just wanted to follow up with you two since it had been a while.
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Darkened5ky 2022-01-05 18:12
No worries. Cant imagine the frustration of "oh another person using 4 year old pack"
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LostThePirate 2022-01-05 18:14
It doesn't happen too often, but it does happen. Some of the other OoTR Support members didn't even recognize it when someone was asking for help getting un-stuck the other day, I figured that was a good reason to reach out, haha.
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codemann8 2022-01-06 14:51
I remember there being case sensitivity within zip files, so if there are Lua scripts trying to load files that aren't exactly referencing the filename, a file folder can find it fine, but a zip it cannot
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Talxes 2022-01-19 04:32
hello just a small question, i installed the tool but it dosnt let me download any packs, when i try, the green prog bar shows up and then halfway through its like "nope, not in the mood"
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blasteg 2022-01-19 04:41
check faq, regarding anti-virus
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Xamanta 2022-01-25 19:31
@Hamsda I'm finally getting around to playing with your preset overrides on the zootr pack. I think I've got it mostly figured out, but I am not seeing preset information for the Logic rules. Is that in there yet and I'm just not seeing it, or are logic rules currently not part of the presets?
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@Hamsda I'm finally getting around to playing with your preset overrides on the zootr pack. I think I've got it mostly figured out, but I am not seeing preset information for the Logic rules. Is that in there yet and I'm just not seeing it, or are logic rules currently not part of the presets?
Hamsda 2022-01-25 19:40
yeah just recently added it do dev https://github.com/Hamsda/EmoTrackerPacks/commit/1b5a9805514fd26526fb71653ca44d34e3052d02 if you wanna add it until i push it to master (edited)
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yeah just recently added it do dev https://github.com/Hamsda/EmoTrackerPacks/commit/1b5a9805514fd26526fb71653ca44d34e3052d02 if you wanna add it until i push it to master (edited)
Xamanta 2022-01-25 19:43
That's awesome. Thank you! Even without this patch, I think this is an amazing addition. It's making setting the tracker up so much easier. It's a pretty cool addition. (edited)
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Hamsda 2022-01-25 20:02
ye i quite like it myself
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Joy 2022-02-21 11:38
hi im new to using emotracker and just randomizers in general.. is anybody working on updating the La Mulana 2 pack with random entrance tracking?
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Lurch9229 2022-02-21 12:18
I know somebody was working on the pack a while ago I helped them with an issue. It seems they are no longer on the server as I can't seem to ping them
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TarThoron 2022-02-21 12:42
Best to ask among that specific community. Or you can always do it yourself. Most packs are open source, even if EmoTracker itself isn't. (edited)
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Lurch9229 2022-02-21 12:46
I can't even find the person who was working on it in the community Discord
12:46
I play LM1 and they share a server
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Joy 2022-02-21 13:34
yeah I figured I'd have to do it myself.. it was annoying getting into the randomizer and finding out the randomizer page that lets you track entrances doesnt even let you save the list, and using the pack for this program doesn't even have the entrances listed
13:36
doesnt even really have proper logic for the randomizer in some cases...
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DukeDragon28 2022-03-10 10:15
I know this will be a big question, but where would one start when it comes to making a Pack. RaC is getting a rando and afaik nobody else is making a tracker so I want to use Emotracker for it
10:16
but Im not sure where to start in terms of getting that going (edited)
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codemann8 2022-03-10 10:17
The recommendation is to look at the base LTTP pack as it is basically the simplest use of almost all the base types of things you can use (edited)
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DukeDragon28 2022-03-10 10:18
Ok. Take that and just edit it out and replace it with what I need
10:18
would that be the best thing for publishing though
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codemann8 2022-03-10 10:18
But also #customization-support is more where this discussion should go, this channel is for support questions for specific packs
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DukeDragon28 2022-03-10 10:18
alright, wasnt sure
10:19
Oh yeah there are links there, I'll check those out
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DukeDragon28 2022-03-12 00:26
Ok so the pack got made (turned out I was late and somebody already made one, but we agreed to collab and share ideas). However the pack isnt showing up in Emotracker, despite his instructions to just place it in packs
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codemann8 2022-03-12 00:32
look under 'Other'
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DukeDragon28 2022-03-12 00:32
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no other present
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codemann8 2022-03-12 00:33
assuming you closed and reopened emotracker?
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DukeDragon28 2022-03-12 00:33
ah, when it said "reload" itmeant close
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I just refreshed
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cheers
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codemann8 2022-03-12 00:33
yep, only on full app load does it check the installed packs
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erqiee 2022-03-20 15:28
I just got on the server because I just downloaded emotracker, but I can't download packages. when I click "install" nothing happens
15:33
nvm
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Hamsda 2022-03-20 15:33
usually antivirus or similar, have a look over at #faq
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erqiee 2022-03-20 15:33
I fixed it, I just reinstalled the app and it worked
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Hamsda 2022-03-20 15:33
oh weird
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2022-03-21 11:40
@erqiee That particular MM pack has several settings. Looks like @Pink Switch might be the current main contact on that one. I can't seem to find a repository for it and it doesn't seem to have a documentation link included.
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Pink Switch 2022-03-21 11:41
?
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2022-03-21 11:42
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Maybe the page for the rando itself might lend some insight into what the settings options do?
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erqiee 2022-03-21 12:27
sry, I've been away from my pc. But I can't find anything about it in the rando, so I will just ask and you just answer if you can. first, I'm wondering what the mundane setting does (rupee icon) second, what the moon setting does (majora's mask icon) third, pre town nut (nut icon) fourth and last, the settings for the bosses (all the boss mask icons)
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MeleeWizard 2022-03-21 12:36
1. Mundane refers to non-chest locations that normally only give minor items, like the lottery or the non-Goron treasure chest game rewards. 2. Moon setting refers to the locations in the moon itself, though I barring glitches, I don't know how relevant those spots would be for a regular run. 3. Nut icon is for the chest in pre-clock town that has deku nuts, which can only be reached via glitches in rando. 4. Boss icons are for dungeon shuffle, if needed. (edited)
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erqiee 2022-03-21 12:46
thank you
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Orano 2022-03-25 01:16
So, finally unlocked randomizer mode in the N64 Resident Evil 2, then I open the tracker and notice it's only for the Leon scenarios. So, how do I set it for Claire scenarios... or is it only Leon right now? Cause if it's only Leon, someone should get on having the Claire item tracker done. (edited)
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codemann8 2022-03-25 01:18
I can't think of a worse way to ask for that
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Orano 2022-03-25 01:20
Sorry, I got a bit upset.
01:24
the Claire scenarios are my favorites (it's the Grenade Launcher) so I apologize to the creator for getting bent out of shape. (edited)
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Orano 2022-03-25 02:04
Spark Shot's awesome, too.
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2022-03-25 02:05
Last I checked, it hasn’t been about for a century. Maybe since last century.
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Orano 2022-03-25 02:06
Whatever.
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2022-03-25 02:07
Nice attitude. 👍 In other news: The person working on the pack is fixing to fill out more of the functionality soon. It’s just taking time.
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Orano 2022-03-25 02:08
Ok. Sorry for being so pissy.
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2022-03-25 02:08
I mean, if it’s so easy, you do it. :3
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Orano 2022-03-25 02:09
I wish I knew how. I changed my previous post to be more polite.
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2022-03-25 02:14
@Otome Got an update on your progress for your Resident Evil 2 Remake pack and having selections for each character and each campaign level?
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ScorelessPine 2022-03-25 03:57
RE: The new Codetracker pack, I am not understanding this whole "Settings can only be saved if you Export Override at least one setting file." I did that and nothing seems to be different at all, it doesnt save user preferences regardless.
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According to the developer console, it throws an "ERROR: Directory doesn't exist" when changing any of the user preferences
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RE: The new Codetracker pack, I am not understanding this whole "Settings can only be saved if you Export Override at least one setting file." I did that and nothing seems to be different at all, it doesnt save user preferences regardless.
codemann8 2022-03-25 05:44
By chance, if you open C:/Users/<username>/ do you see a folder in here called Documents?
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ScorelessPine 2022-03-25 05:45
I do, not much of interest in there though
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codemann8 2022-03-25 05:46
Hmm
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ScorelessPine 2022-03-25 05:46
However I will say i did set my documents folder to a different drive
05:46
My boot drive is C, but my default Documents location is set to D:
05:46
Hence why that folder doesnt have much i bet
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codemann8 2022-03-25 05:47
Ok that's the issue, users that moved their Documents folder are having this issue
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ScorelessPine 2022-03-25 05:47
Makes sense enough
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codemann8 2022-03-25 05:48
I'm trying to find a workaround for it but having difficulty thinking of something that's seemless
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ScorelessPine 2022-03-25 05:48
Im betting theres no easy way to get the lua to query the default documents location?
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codemann8 2022-03-25 05:49
Not that I'm seeing, there doesn't seem to be a nice environment variable that I can reference to get this
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ScorelessPine 2022-03-25 05:53
Oh yeah, i am looking at some stuff and just checking for %UserProfile%\Documents pulls my C drive location first, at least when in windows explorer
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codemann8 2022-03-25 05:55
Yeah, I tried using that variable, and that works for folder redirection in windows explorer, but not for referencing to see what files are there (in the moved directory) (edited)
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ScorelessPine 2022-03-25 05:55
Theres a registry key i found in a thread, is that something the script can access?
05:55
Supposedly HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User Shell Folders\Personal stores that
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codemann8 2022-03-25 05:56
afaik no, lua cant read regkeys
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ScorelessPine 2022-03-25 05:56
Hecc
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Thing is, i dont know what things i could even suggest in my searches here, i dont know what lua can really do
05:58
I'm reading about a library called winapi that can supposedly read registry keys
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codemann8 2022-03-25 06:00
I had talked with EmoSaru into allowing us packmakers to reference a variable in the main program that stores where the override folder is. This would solve the issue. But its not fair to her that I've rolled this update out now before she's had a chance to even consider the changes necessary for that to happen.
06:02
And yeah from what I can see, I don't think I have the ability to import external libraries that I can use
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ScorelessPine 2022-03-25 06:09
Well i suppose one solution was deleting the offending folder on the C drive, like i said it didnt have anything interesting in it. Now %USERPROFILE%\Documents seems to lead to the D drive one first. Ill load up the pack again and see how it goes
06:09
This isnt a good solution for everyone though, obviously
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codemann8 2022-03-25 06:10
thats what im saying WONT work
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ScorelessPine 2022-03-25 06:10
Oh really?
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codemann8 2022-03-25 06:11
folder redirection like that works in windows explorer, but not for referencing files that exist in them
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ScorelessPine 2022-03-25 06:11
Oh fair
06:12
Wouldnt it just be amazing to just self-reference the path location from in the script 🙄 Im assuming that isnt viable for some reason im not aware of
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Nicholas Steel 2022-03-25 06:12
folder redirection like that works in windows explorer, but not for referencing files that exist in them
I tested a couple ideas with Codemann8 (on his Discord server) and that is the conclusion we came to (I even also pointed out that registry key). (edited)
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ScorelessPine 2022-03-25 06:13
I can get why the lua capabilities are so limited, but that seems so frustrating.
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codemann8 2022-03-25 06:15
tell me about it, thru Lua I can create files, delete files, rename files, and move files...but heaven forbid I want to create a directory, that's too much, can't do it
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Nicholas Steel 2022-03-25 06:16
And Microsoft for some baffling reason only has a registry key for referencing where Documents is located if its been moved.
06:17
Would be nice if there was a %documents% which took you to where it was relocated.
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codemann8 2022-03-25 06:17
thats what i was hoping would exist, but doesnt
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ScorelessPine 2022-03-25 06:17
Yeah, hell they have variables for a random number between 0 and 32767 but they cant do that
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codemann8 2022-03-25 06:19
I probably coudlldo it where users create a user environment variable that points to the new documents folder, and i could reference that, but that seems yikes and quite the burden for the typical user
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Nicholas Steel 2022-03-25 06:21
Yeah sorry, automating the creation of an environment variable doesn't help since you still need to know where Documents is located in the first place. So the dea of having Lua create an environment variable is a bust (unless the user could specify the path during the creation process). (edited)
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codemann8 2022-03-25 06:24
At the very least, I think I can at least determine which users have this issue thru Lua. So if I find a solution or workaround, I can single those users out and provide a specific error message.
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codemann8 2022-03-25 08:26
@ScorelessPine and @Nicholas Steel I pushed another update. I'm not gonna tell you what to do on your end, I want to see if it's something you both will be able to figure out naturally. I also want to see if my solution will actually work
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tell me about it, thru Lua I can create files, delete files, rename files, and move files...but heaven forbid I want to create a directory, that's too much, can't do it
MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2022-03-25 08:47
Can lua read a file in overrides? Maybe have a user-editable file that holds a string to the appropriate dir?
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codemann8 2022-03-25 08:49
That's how settings work in general
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2022-03-25 08:51
I’m just not sure what the sentient AI in your pack is capable of. XD
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codemann8 2022-03-25 08:52
Or rather, how they worked in general in prior versions. I'm trying to get away from forcing users to mod files in text editors
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Nicholas Steel 2022-03-25 09:21
I followed the instructions and achieved success. Settings are getting saved and data is being written to the correct location. (edited)
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ScorelessPine 2022-03-25 19:59
@codemann8 Finally got a chance to try it out, I either did something wrong, or the steps did not work for me. I did follow the chain of steps, and to my knowledge did everything properly, but after reloading the pack, and even after closing and reopening Emotracker, it does not seem to work.
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CONFIG.DOCUMENTS_FOLDER was set to "D:\\(my name)\\Documents\\" and the error still appears. In the developer console, it shows a Onedrive location, and my UserProfile location, neither of which should be relevant. (edited)
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^had to edit the quoted location thanks to discord formatting, i did put the double backslashes to be clear
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codemann8 2022-03-25 20:27
you need to not include Documents (edited)
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ScorelessPine 2022-03-25 20:29
Oh, well that might explain it
20:29
Turns out, i dont read good
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No errors, and defaults.lua appeared when i changed a setting, pogchamp
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Nicholas Steel 2022-03-25 23:16
In my case the included example was exactly what I needed to do, which made it that little bit easier to grasp. ie: I used CONFIG.DOCUMENTS_FOLDER = "D:\\" I can see how the exclusion of Documents on the path could mix people up, as you're supposedly defining where Documents is located. Typing a path that ends one level above its location just seems odd. (edited)
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codemann8 2022-03-26 03:06
I've changed the Readme now to be a little more clear about that
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crossproduct 2022-03-28 18:02
@Dorkmaster Flek I found 2 very, very minor bugs in the SMZ3 tracker :3 WS Reserve shows blue if you can access the upper room, but only if you have EF0F/EEE3 -- This should also include EEFB Bowling Room requires EF07/EED7/EF27 -- This list should include EF1B/EF17
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Dorkmaster Flek 2022-03-28 18:06
Oh for hard mode specifically?
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TarThoron 2022-03-28 18:17
On Normal the 3 items beyond Bowling need space or grapple or varia+2 tanks or 3 tanks (plus PBs and speed for Reserve). On Hard it's just varia or 1 tank (2 for the shinespark). And yeah, wave would make the reserve item viewable.
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Dorkmaster Flek 2022-03-29 14:16
Ah, okay specifically in hard keysanity, you can get to WS without PBs.
14:16
I see the corner case.
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TarThoron 2022-03-29 14:27
You can get there without pbs in non-keysanity too. Current fill algorithm means it doesn't happen (always at least 1 pb pack in sphere 1), but crossproduct makes plandos, which throws the fill algorithm out the window. You can get to WS without bombs or screw by going through the Maridia portal, killing Dray, then going through Cactus Alley to get to Forgotten Highway. With screw+grav, you can go through Botwoon Hallway to Aqueduct, down a sand pit, then up the Toilet to Forgotten Highway. Then your first bombs can be at Ocean Missiles or Moat.
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x10power | FFMQ Tracker 2022-03-31 16:21
So I created a simple pack for item Tracking in FFMQ who do I contact to get it onto the pack installer?
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x10power | FFMQ Tracker
So I created a simple pack for item Tracking in FFMQ who do I contact to get it onto the pack installer?
cluekitty 2022-03-31 16:22
EmoSaru (edited)
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x10power | FFMQ Tracker 2022-03-31 16:23
Thanks
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MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2022-03-31 16:28
#faq https://discord.com/channels/386961931988369418/422107004560080896/459160018324029450
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Pool Float 2022-04-07 20:31
@codemann8 I noticed what seems to be a logic bug in the ALTTP Map Tracker with respect to accessing Ice Palace. Playing a seed earlier tonight, IP was orange as expected since I didn't have a glove. Once I got my first glove, it went from orange to green. I was using autotracking in race mode, but I just recreated it without my console powered on and it still did the same thing. Having a quick look through dungeons.json, it looks to only be expecting lift1 for access.
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codemann8 2022-04-07 20:33
reported and already fixed
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Pool Float 2022-04-07 21:14
I updated on Wednesday. Was there another one I missed?
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codemann8 2022-04-07 21:19
i havent released yet
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Pool Float 2022-04-08 05:34
Ah OK. Just wanted to make sure I didn't miss an update. Thanks! (edited)
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Flesh177 2022-04-11 00:23
hey, many of my packages have the issue that they don't load images properly, whether it is for the map or for an item I completely deleted my entire package lib and also reinstalled emo tracker many times, what can I do to fix that?
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codemann8 2022-04-11 01:09
couple things, either youre using a 4K monitor and/or you are using scaling in your OS display settings, those 2 things can cause issues (edited)
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couple things, either youre using a 4K monitor and/or you are using scaling in your OS display settings, those 2 things can cause issues (edited)
Flesh177 2022-04-11 01:15
where do I fix that on windows 10?
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Flesh177 2022-04-11 01:31
also people told me yesterday it could have something to do with overrides or some files got corrupted
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delvan 2022-04-11 02:18
Context for folks who didn't see the other thread on this (link if you're on the SMZ3 server https://discord.com/channels/445948207638511616/445948207638511619/962793748671135806 ) (edited)
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My suspicion since it started with an OS update is that your user folder isn't the same as it was, or the permissions on it aren't the same
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For reference this is my SMZ3 zip file with the path its in, though my path is a little weird since I have my relocated into a Dropbox folder
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Flesh177 2022-04-11 02:23
so mean the path users/documents/emotracker/package somewhere there something aint working right anymore?
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delvan 2022-04-11 02:24
My suspicion is that your /users/whateveryourusernameis/... changed or the permissions on it changed, since the documents folder below that is where your EmoTracker stuff is (primarily) stored and you mentioned elsewhere that now multiple packs have stopped working for you after an OS reinstall (edited)
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Flesh177 2022-04-11 02:24
so what shall I do to fix that? I have very little understanding of those kinda things
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My suspicion is that your /users/whateveryourusernameis/... changed or the permissions on it changed, since the documents folder below that is where your EmoTracker stuff is (primarily) stored and you mentioned elsewhere that now multiple packs have stopped working for you after an OS reinstall (edited)
Flesh177 2022-04-11 02:59
I also completely removed the Emotracker folder in .../documents and reinstalled emotracker (so it creates a new folder in documents and it still doenst work :/
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Flesh177 2022-04-11 03:08
its also not like nothing loads
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just like some images dont load, like less then 10% in the case of smz3
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Nicholas Steel 2022-04-11 08:27
Only thing I can think of that could maybe but unlikely cause your issue, is unusual letters in your Windows Username. Or you have less than 512MB of RAM. (edited)
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Nicholas Steel
Only thing I can think of that could maybe but unlikely cause your issue, is unusual letters in your Windows Username. Or you have less than 512MB of RAM. (edited)
MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2022-04-11 08:40
TFW playing SNES on a machine from the 90s.
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TFW playing SNES on a machine from the 90s.
Nicholas Steel 2022-04-11 08:45
It was possible thanks to ZSNES! It even performed well so long as you stuck to the MS-DOS release.
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Only thing I can think of that could maybe but unlikely cause your issue, is unusual letters in your Windows Username. Or you have less than 512MB of RAM. (edited)
Flesh177 2022-04-11 10:13
no the name is normal :(
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EmoSaru 2022-04-11 10:36
You have your user directory under your dropbox?
10:37
Also, can you please confirm the EmoTracker version number in the title bar of the EmoTracker window
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Flesh177 2022-04-11 10:37
what do you mean by dropbox?
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version is 2.3.8.16
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EmoSaru 2022-04-11 10:38
Oh nevermind, that was a different user.
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Hmm
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Can you please download and install my ALTTPR package and see if the images load?
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Flesh177 2022-04-11 10:40
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seems everything loaded properly
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I guess?
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EmoSaru 2022-04-11 10:44
What version of Windows 10 are you running?
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Flesh177 2022-04-11 10:46
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is that what you are looking for?
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EmoSaru 2022-04-11 11:13
Yes, thanks.
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Have you run Windows update to ensure that you've got all applicable system updates?
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Flesh177 2022-04-11 11:14
I haven't ran it ever since I updated to windows 10 which is like... a month ago I will go ahead and check if there are updated
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updates
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the windows updater tells me that I'm fully updated
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there are only "optional updates" available
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like small drivers and one security update for wifi
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(drivers just for hardware)
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but I could try to update on those, but I doubt that would be it
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EmoSaru 2022-04-11 12:12
The issue you're experiencing is very strange. It's almost like Windows is failing to decode some images properly, or there is a .net runtime issue. That Windows version number is also at least 2 versions out of date for Windows 10 Pro, as far as I can tell.
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delvan 2022-04-11 13:43
Wow, yeah 19042 is like 2 years old, so its really weird it says you're fully up to date
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The issue you're experiencing is very strange. It's almost like Windows is failing to decode some images properly, or there is a .net runtime issue. That Windows version number is also at least 2 versions out of date for Windows 10 Pro, as far as I can tell.
Flesh177 2022-04-11 15:24
hmmm, so my best bet is to get windows to the newest version? idk why it isnt up to date really, I will look into it tomorrow or are there any other ideas you may have on how to fix this?
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delvan 2022-04-11 15:59
You might try the .net framework repair tool https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=30135, or just reinstall the 4.x files (https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=2088631) ? (Linked to the latter since the repair tool will try to get whatever files it needs from microsoft, if your windows update hasn't been finding new updates for 2 years I wouldn't be surprised if this tool had trouble connecting to microsoft on its own as well)
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Flesh177 2022-04-12 03:55
so when I try to install .net framework 4.8 (which apperently is the most recent, please confirm that) the installer tells me it is already up to date :/
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I tried to reinstall 4.8 after the .net framework repair tool told me to do that
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Nicholas Steel 2022-04-12 06:39
Try updating to Windows 10 21H2 or Windows 11 (if you're adventurous and computer hardware is compatible). (edited)
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Flesh177 2022-04-13 11:54
I now have the 10.0.19044 Build 19044 which is the most up to date version? and it still doesnt load the images properly of the SMZ3 pack or others :/ (edited)
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Try updating to Windows 10 21H2 or Windows 11 (if you're adventurous and computer hardware is compatible). (edited)
Flesh177 2022-04-13 11:56
my pc is not compatible with windows 11 unfortunately
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delvan 2022-04-13 12:22
If the repair tool told you to RE install it, that means you would first un install it, then install it.
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Flesh177 2022-04-13 12:38
I will run the repair tool again and see what it says
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but I thought now that I have the most recent version everything is fine, since before I did all of that I didnt have it
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like in windows updater it told me to update to .net framework 4.8 and that updated happened and I restarted and now it says I'm on the versin 10.0.19044 which is 2 higher than what I had previously
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EmoSaru 2022-04-13 12:49
Just out of curiosity, what is your windows system language?
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TarThoron 2022-04-13 12:54
Looks like German.
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EmoSaru 2022-04-13 13:00
I didn't actually look at the screenshot, but yes. 🙂
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Flesh177 2022-04-13 16:46
yeah it is german
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(since I'm from germany)
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I now have the 10.0.19044 Build 19044 which is the most up to date version? and it still doesnt load the images properly of the SMZ3 pack or others :/ (edited)
Nicholas Steel 2022-04-13 23:13
I'm on 19044.1645 (21H2) I check my version by clicking the Search option on the taskbar and typing in Winver Perhaps you're now on a Windows Insider (beta) build? keep us posted on if the repair tool resolves the issues. (edited)
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delvan 2022-04-13 23:40
Depending on where you check it 21H2 will show as either how Flesh177 reported it (how it is shown in System Information) or how Nicholas showed it (if you run winver)
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Fingers crossed uninstalling and then reinstalling the .net framework will clear up the issue, if that doesn't do it I'm really at a loss at whats going on here
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EmoSaru 2022-04-14 01:01
Yeah, we definitely have other german Windows 10 users using the app, although I can't say for certain whether they're playing SMZ3.
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Zorimyll 2022-04-21 15:10
there is an issue in the logic in inverted in the hookshot cave access, with the hookshot, the activated flute, the mirror and the moon pearl you can access it. The tracker display the floating island accessible but not the hookshot cave but you can access it from the back If you want a demo seed you can use this one : https://alttpr.com/en/h/7LyqrQQjG2
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EmoSaru 2022-04-21 15:38
I’ll look into it.
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I’ll look into it.
Zorimyll 2022-04-22 06:16
oh you already fixed it thanks
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sk00pula 2022-04-22 17:31
quicky q, is that all that changed cause i'm just now getting done rebuilding everything i had from the SGL changes lol
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EmoSaru 2022-04-22 17:39
I believe that is all that changed.
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sk00pula 2022-04-22 19:47
ty
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Pierdu 2022-04-28 14:19
Hello, I found a couple of odd, seemingly impossible checks in the LADXR tracker, should i post them here?
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EmoSaru 2022-04-28 15:21
I would recommend asking if they are actually impossible in the LADXR discord first. I don’t know your background, but there are often ways to access things that new(er) players of a given game are not yet aware of.
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If you’re fairly certain that they are actually pack bugs, then by all means post here.
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Pierdu 2022-04-28 15:28
I did check with the ladxr discord and several, more experienced people, including a moderator, found it weird as well
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It's the forest and graveyard cave checks
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(My start position is not randomized so i am in mabe village in the screenshot)
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If i switch the tracker to hard logic nothing changes, but if i switch to Normal logic those checks disappear
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But as far as we know those checks are not attainable in any logic
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Furthermore, if they were accessible then a whole bunch of other checks would naturally be as well (edited)
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Pierdu 2022-04-28 15:41
(I should clarify i only have hookshot and boots so no way of cutting the grass at the entrance of the forest)
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EmoSaru 2022-04-28 15:54
In that case I recommend tagging the pack author here.
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Nicholas Steel 2022-04-29 02:27
@MuffinJets see above.
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Locke 2022-04-29 17:20
I've been meaning to ask about this for a while now, is there any fix for this? ive changed nothing in the pack itself, only used tracker like normal and any time i try and load a saved file i get this and am lost forever. pls help the shuffler emo feenCry
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EmoSaru 2022-04-29 17:32
I'm assuming it's just that pack?
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That pack uses Lua custom items, and if they're doing non-deterministic things in their init path, issues like that can arise.
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Also, I'm not sure if I can in good conscience help you do more shuffler.
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You're already living very dangerously. (edited)
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Locke 2022-04-29 17:40
yeah its just that pack, everything else opens fine of course unless i update a pack in between then itll fail, but thats to be expected
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msmetroid 2022-04-29 17:40
can i get ficerods in alttpr?
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Locke 2022-04-29 17:41
and its ok, more shuffler is fine, just means im getting paid
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andySellOut
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msmetroid 2022-04-29 17:44
i want less buttons. D:
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TarThoron 2022-04-29 18:00
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codemann8 2022-04-29 18:01
There was an issue i had where I was dynamically loading custom Lua objects using a Lua table with no numeric indexing, which doesn't guarantee the same order when loading it, so I had issues with Save/Load. I suspect something similar is probably happening here
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can i get ficerods in alttpr?
MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2022-04-29 18:52
What’s a ficerod? A single “item” with both the Fire & Ice Rods?
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msmetroid 2022-04-29 18:53
yee.
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it's in the fouton smz3 pack.
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didn't know if there was a way to borrow it from that to add it to the assets for alttpr.
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didn't know if there was a way to borrow it from that to add it to the assets for alttpr.
MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2022-04-29 19:12
So, from Fouton’s z3m3 pack to Emo’s main pack?
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codemann8 2022-04-29 19:50
I think the general design of the base lttp tracker is to mimic how it shows in the pause menu, to make it easy to visually look at and plan out menuing. A combo pack makes sense to combine things tho, for space reasons
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msmetroid 2022-04-29 20:49
yeah, thanks for the help in the customization channel, Tar! Appreciate it.
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I've been meaning to ask about this for a while now, is there any fix for this? ive changed nothing in the pack itself, only used tracker like normal and any time i try and load a saved file i get this and am lost forever. pls help the shuffler emo feenCry
Dudude Dude 2022-04-30 11:03
I fixed this now. Had to just make a change so it stores values as false rather than nil so the save file structure consistently has the same amount of properties in it.
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This won't help fix your old save file unfortunately, since the file structure did change as a result of this.
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EmoSaru 2022-04-30 11:58
That’s interesting, and not what I expected the issue to be. Can you describe the issue briefly in a bit more depth so I can see if there’s a case to be made for handling load there differently? It’s hard to say whether this is an “error” that’s reasonable for the load code to assume is safe.
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Dudude Dude 2022-04-30 12:15
After inspecting the save files myself on the old version, I noticed that on items that hadn't had a particular change made to them, only one of the two properties was present. Each of them is supposed to have two; one is a simple active property which is either 0 or 1, behaving as expected, and a more complicated item property which was set to either nil (now false) or the name of the item that it was set to. This is achieved by right-clicking the item, followed by right-clicking another different item. Using a local look-up array the image of the item set is then added as an overlay to the existing item. Due to being set to nil, the property was not getting passed along to the save file. This in turn caused the load to try and set a value that didn't exist.
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EmoSaru 2022-04-30 14:06
Gotcha.
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Akari_Enderwolf 2022-05-03 10:25
Some locations are missing in the wind waker randomizer, like the Chu Cave on Pawprint Isle is missing, and 2 of the wizrobes on the platforms north of dragonroost are missing as well.
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Some locations are missing in the wind waker randomizer, like the Chu Cave on Pawprint Isle is missing, and 2 of the wizrobes on the platforms north of dragonroost are missing as well.
Spleebie 2022-05-03 12:52
this is a known issue, waiting on a fix from @Dual [CDT UTC-5] (TWWR)
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Akari_Enderwolf 2022-05-03 23:19
Ok, just wanted to make sure
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Lurch9229 2022-05-07 08:27
Need to get hold of the la-mulana 2 pack dev have noticed some indiscrepancies between rando logic and tracker logic
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this is a known issue, waiting on a fix from @Dual [CDT UTC-5] (TWWR)
Dual [CDT UTC-5] (TWWR) 2022-05-07 15:00
I thought I submitted that pull ages ago. Oops
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Spleebie 2022-05-07 15:40
Thanks, releasing it now
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Taho 2022-05-11 12:20
How do I add a pack?
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I have put the OOT rando autotracker in the packs folder but it doesnt show up as installed
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I have put the OOT rando autotracker in the packs folder but it doesnt show up as installed
cluekitty 2022-05-11 12:35
if you manually add a pack, you need to either restart emotracker, or add the pack while emotracker is closed
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Maya 2022-05-17 15:24
Found a small logic bug for the ALTTPR inverted-Tracker: When Flippers, Mirror and Moon Pearl is selected, Catfish will turn green. Seems like it doesn't check, if you're even able to access the LW to begin with to go that route
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EmoSaru 2022-05-17 16:48
I’ll look into it
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BuraKaii 2022-05-18 11:16
Idk if im just dumb or what. Ive downloaded the Pokemon Emerald Map Randomizer Tracker and added it to the packs folder but no matter what I do, I cant seem to find it in my packs when i open the program
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TarThoron 2022-05-18 11:19
Should be under Misc, as long as you've restarted EmoTracker after adding it to the folder.
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BuraKaii 2022-05-18 11:20
there is a Misc option? Where?
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Nvm....im just an Idiot. I got it
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Should be under Misc, as long as you've restarted EmoTracker after adding it to the folder.
MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge 2022-05-18 11:23
Last I checked it was “Other.” Could’ve changed.
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lozdude 2022-05-21 20:01
hello all, i am trying to install some packs and update them and is not allowing me
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any help would be welcome
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TarThoron 2022-05-21 22:07
#faq
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Yu 2022-06-04 10:45
Quick question for Codemann8, don't wanna tag, cause I'm not sure if it's alright, but I had a very small issue with the auto tracking recently, it's not a big problem as I track it in my notes on my notepad anyway, but when doing Pottery Lottery(Crisscross, shopsanity, keydrop) The Crystals/pendants aren't tracked properly, when I complete a dungeon, it gives me a completely different crystal and sometime doesn't register it at all. If I try to manually turn off or on which ones are appropriate, after a while it revert it back. I assumed it's probably because of Door shuffles for dungeons, but in actuality, I have no idea. but here's an example, you can see I got all my crystal and one pendant and it's completely different from what the tracker shows. Like I said, it's really not a big deal, just wanted to flag it in case it hadn't been already.
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Btw great job on whatever you did, it's already insane to me that it auto identify the amount of checks there are per dungeon, it's actually pretty sick, for mid late game to know how many check you have left per, feels really good for routing purposes.
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codemann8 2022-06-04 10:55
@Yu Have you updated your DR-Volatile codebase recently? This was a problem in how Volatile was writing the dungeons completed flags, but should be fixed in newer versions. (edited)
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Also, tagging me directly is fine
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Yu 2022-06-04 10:59
Oh, that should be it, I haven't, that's my bad then, thank you
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